Hello everyone,
recent steps that needed to be taken in order to ensure my security have left me with a lot of idle time, so I've been doing a fair bit of reading up on the state of the world and I've been noticing something of late.
Across the middle east, archaeological sites and ancient treasures seem to be under attack. From the looting of the Iraq Museum in 2003 to the attacks on ancient sites in the Syrian Civil War to the recent destruction of ancient cities there is a recurring pattern of some of humanity's oldest artifacts being smashed or stolen.
That pattern bothers me. I'm not the most scholarly type, but I know that each time we lose a fragment of human history, it lessens us all. But there is something else. Our ancient predecessors had a far greater understanding of the supernatural in our world than we do. In the destruction of these artifacts and cites, we may lose the opportunity to recapture this understanding.
Further, if I may be my father's daughter for a moment, we may be losing critical information that we may need to protect humanity from supernatural threats.
While there are many capable members of these forums, I don't think that there are enough of us to make jumping into a warzone to secure these sites prudent or effective. So how do we make sure nothing else which may help us is lost?
Hannah
Destrution of ancient relics
Destrution of ancient relics
I will be who I chose to be.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
The answer is multiple storage mediums.
When the Library of Alexandria was lost, all the data that it held was also lost except where that data was duplicated elsewhere.
Compile all avalable desired data then duplicate it multiple locations and if possible multiple storage mediums. Update those mediums periodically.
The hoarding of data will lead to inevitable data loss.
When the Library of Alexandria was lost, all the data that it held was also lost except where that data was duplicated elsewhere.
Compile all avalable desired data then duplicate it multiple locations and if possible multiple storage mediums. Update those mediums periodically.
The hoarding of data will lead to inevitable data loss.
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Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Athena,
If I may clarify the nature of the situation Mrs. Grant was describing.
Many of the items being destroyed or stolen are physical items, not texts or illustrations. Also, many of them are one of a kind and/or extremely fragile. As a result simply duplicating them is not feasible.
So while images of these items could be captured and distributed, it is impossible to have duplicated all these items and spread them out in the way that you propose.
What's more, many of these sites were still being excavated, so not all of the artifacts had been yet recovered from them before the sites were destroyed or rendered unusable. This means that artifacts that may have been of use or worthy of study are never recovered by those qualified to handle them.
If I may clarify the nature of the situation Mrs. Grant was describing.
Many of the items being destroyed or stolen are physical items, not texts or illustrations. Also, many of them are one of a kind and/or extremely fragile. As a result simply duplicating them is not feasible.
So while images of these items could be captured and distributed, it is impossible to have duplicated all these items and spread them out in the way that you propose.
What's more, many of these sites were still being excavated, so not all of the artifacts had been yet recovered from them before the sites were destroyed or rendered unusable. This means that artifacts that may have been of use or worthy of study are never recovered by those qualified to handle them.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
I understand what they are. Having a physical form doesn't mean they are not data or represent data. Images of these objects is just one means of storing that (partial) data. There is also 3-D laser scans, spectral analysis and other means to record data about these object.
More importantly however I was concerned about the data they were meant to represent given Hannah's concern about impaired ability to identify and combat supernatural threats. What data of that nature exists should be compiled and duplicated along with what is known about these sites. Although many of these sites are effectively lost now.
More importantly however I was concerned about the data they were meant to represent given Hannah's concern about impaired ability to identify and combat supernatural threats. What data of that nature exists should be compiled and duplicated along with what is known about these sites. Although many of these sites are effectively lost now.
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Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Athena,
There are definitely ways to do what you are proposing, the problem is there are only a small number of qualified experts with the necessary equipment to perform the in depth cataloging you are suggesting. This creates a bottleneck in the processing of these items.
What's more, while a lot of useful data could be collected by such means, some of the most useful data can only be divined by placing these items in the hands of individuals who are attuned to the requisite energies. This is an even smaller and more elite group of individuals.
As a result of these two bottlenecks, thousands upon thousands of artifacts remain undiscovered or in storage awaiting detailed analysis. My worry is that with the events we are seeing, time may be running out on our ability to find the important artifacts and protect them.
Hannah Knight
There are definitely ways to do what you are proposing, the problem is there are only a small number of qualified experts with the necessary equipment to perform the in depth cataloging you are suggesting. This creates a bottleneck in the processing of these items.
What's more, while a lot of useful data could be collected by such means, some of the most useful data can only be divined by placing these items in the hands of individuals who are attuned to the requisite energies. This is an even smaller and more elite group of individuals.
As a result of these two bottlenecks, thousands upon thousands of artifacts remain undiscovered or in storage awaiting detailed analysis. My worry is that with the events we are seeing, time may be running out on our ability to find the important artifacts and protect them.
Hannah Knight
I will be who I chose to be.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Certainly we could benefit from having our own allies in government(s) but, as usual, that comes with its own set of headaches that will sometimes make it seem as if it's not worth it.
It also makes one wonder what, precisely, is PPE. Other kinds of energy can be expressed in mathematical equations and so discovered from the data. No psychometry is required. PPE, however, defies such a thing. The idea of "work" in the physics sense and the idea of "concentration" in the magical/psychic sense are not analogous.
It also makes one wonder what, precisely, is PPE. Other kinds of energy can be expressed in mathematical equations and so discovered from the data. No psychometry is required. PPE, however, defies such a thing. The idea of "work" in the physics sense and the idea of "concentration" in the magical/psychic sense are not analogous.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Hannah wrote:Athena,
There are definitely ways to do what you are proposing, the problem is there are only a small number of qualified experts with the necessary equipment to perform the in depth cataloging you are suggesting. This creates a bottleneck in the processing of these items.
What's more, while a lot of useful data could be collected by such means, some of the most useful data can only be divined by placing these items in the hands of individuals who are attuned to the requisite energies. This is an even smaller and more elite group of individuals.
As a result of these two bottlenecks, thousands upon thousands of artifacts remain undiscovered or in storage awaiting detailed analysis. My worry is that with the events we are seeing, time may be running out on our ability to find the important artifacts and protect them.
Hannah Knight
As I stated, many of these sites can be considered effectively lost now. Any loss of data is regrettable but occasionally unavoidable as well. What can be done most easily is preserving what is already held against future loss. The other thing that can be done is the generation of new data even if it means rediscovery of things once known.
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Re: Destrution of ancient relics
I wonder if the Akashic Record ever suffers data loss.
More to the point: what about non-physical storage? Gives me an idea to bring up to our mechanic. A device imbued with total recall should be able to perfectly store data. Perhaps some invocation or ritual could imbue an object with perfect memory on a larger scale.
More to the point: what about non-physical storage? Gives me an idea to bring up to our mechanic. A device imbued with total recall should be able to perfectly store data. Perhaps some invocation or ritual could imbue an object with perfect memory on a larger scale.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Is this what you mean by Akashic Records?
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Re: Destrution of ancient relics
Athena,
Perhaps I am thinking too much like my father, but we may be in a race to stop someone from destroying something we need. Without more specialists in the field out ability to discover, identify, catalogue and preserve may be slower than their ability to find and destroy.
HK.
Perhaps I am thinking too much like my father, but we may be in a race to stop someone from destroying something we need. Without more specialists in the field out ability to discover, identify, catalogue and preserve may be slower than their ability to find and destroy.
HK.
I will be who I chose to be.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
We don't know what has been destroyed besides the physical statues themselves. I don't know how good Iraqi record keeping is...
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Re: Destrution of ancient relics
No Hannah, I think you're thinking clearly.
In many of these cases we have organized groups perpetrating the destruction. We have also had the ability of our government to step in to prevent a number of these acts.
Someone, somewhere, is pulling strings to make sure this happens.
In many of these cases we have organized groups perpetrating the destruction. We have also had the ability of our government to step in to prevent a number of these acts.
Someone, somewhere, is pulling strings to make sure this happens.
Re: Destrution of ancient relics
I see that in my absence the government has again authorized the destruction of more sacred sites of my people.
While I am sure there are good, kind people in the government who wish to do the right thing, it is can be very hard to find them when you need them.
While I am sure there are good, kind people in the government who wish to do the right thing, it is can be very hard to find them when you need them.
