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We really need to increase our presence in the Third World.

Headless corpses raise ritual killing fear wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 11:01 AM

By John Zodzi

LOME (Reuters) - Six grisly murders in Togo in which the victims were decapitated and drained of their blood have raised fears of a resurgence of ritual killings ahead of parliamentary elections in the West African state next month.

The serial killings occurred last weekend in the southern Vo and Lacs prefectures, east of the capital Lome. The victims included a 12-year-old boy and a 63-year-old woman and their severed heads were carried off by the killers.

The discovery of the headless corpses has shocked Togolese and triggered a wave of speculation that the killings were ritual murders. This is a practice still found in parts of Africa in which people kill to obtain body parts and blood in the belief they will bring social success and political power.

Police announced the arrest of four suspects, including one from neighboring Benin, the West African home of the ancient Voodoo religion, who confessed to killing the 12-year-old boy.

Togo holds legislative elections on October 14, and international observers hope they will strengthen the weak grip of democracy in the small former French colony, which like Benin is wedged between Nigeria and Ghana on the Gulf of Guinea.

In a society where traditional beliefs still have influence, some Togolese saw a link between the killings and the ambitions of aspiring candidates for next month's polls.

"Some of these deputies are ready to do anything to keep their seats and you hear that they're carrying out sacrifices," said Joel Attigan, a geography student.

Others saw the murders as linked to a desire for social advancement.

"There are too many young rich people in Togo these days. These crimes are linked to these kind of people, who sometimes use human sacrifices to obtain their goals," said Da Mensa, the manager of a bar and restaurant in Lome.

Togo's media have joined the feverish debate, blaming shadowy religious sects in Togo and Benin.

"We are in Africa, and spilled human blood can reveal many things," the newspaper Le Magnan Libere said, referring to the witchcraft practice of using blood or body parts for divining or influencing the future.

The police have been cautious about confirming the ritual killing hypothesis.

But they said the arrested Benin citizen, Roger Kodjo Hounguiya, had confessed that he was working for a fellow countryman, Jean Goudjo, wanted in Benin for grisly murders involving mutilation.

The European Union, which froze most of its aid to Togo in 1993 citing the poor democratic record of then President Gnassingbe Eyadema, is sending electoral observers to the polls next month. Eyadema died in 2005 and his son is now president.


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Not exactly, but I would -love- to. I just don't have a quick way to get to Africa.

Course, I don't speak the languages, other than English and French. (Depending on which parts of Africa, English or French substitute the local language.)
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You're one up on me. I've studied Japanese, German, and Spanish...
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Nihon-go kudasai desu ka?

lol. I also speak spanish and japanese, and understand some german.
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We really need to find a way to make ourselves known out in the Third World. We need to be abel to stop stuff like this.
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Sometimes, I think some of their own traditions would be better suited to do somethign about it... if they cared enough.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes not so much. Some of their shamanic traditions include practices of necromancy... Not exactly benign necromancy, either, if such a thing exists anywhere in the world.

Depends on the country, tribe, and village, though...
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Post by Razor »

Well if you wanna go affar and hold a seminar, and training courses on a more generic and not so icky magics, go right ahead.

Course, they could use it. Is it me, or is there a very low number of psychics in Africa?
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When the purges happen, they are probably the first to get hacked apart with the machettes
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I dunno about going over there, guys... I'm all for giving aid to those who want and need it, but when one of those two conditions doesn't exist, you're better off leaving them to their own.

For all the cultures in which shamanism includes necromantic practices, there are neighboring villages in which it very much doesn't. It sounds to me that most of these people already reject such practices; they probably reject all forms of magic in the opinion that it's an outdated belief system, and they're trying to modernize.

I say wait. The authorities are already working on things, and the authorities there come from the same historic background as the people who are committing the acts. Let them try and sort it out; if they can't, maybe we can contact them and find out if they want some kind of help.

Until then, let them try to take care of their own problems. Without meaning to sound rude, we have plenty of our own over here.
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Post by Razor »

Thanks KT for putting my own thoughts so succinctly.
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