Archeologist say Holy Grail is in Rome

DarKnyht · Post by **DarKnyht** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:30 am

I thought I would share this with everyone. I found it after I posted earlier and only just now got back to the room. The story will speak for itself.

Alfredo Barbagallo said ancient records show the cup is buried in a chamber beneath the Basilica of San Lorenzo Fuori le Mura, one of the seven churches Christian pilgrims used to visit when they came to Rome, The (London) Telegraph said Thursday.

The archeologist said he spent two years studying medieval iconography inside the basilica, and a description of the chamber in a guide to the catacombs written in 1938 by a Capuchin friar named Giuseppe Da Bra.

He said the cup, given the name the Holy Grail in the Middle Ages, disappeared in A.D. 258 after a deacon named Lorenzo -- with whom Pope Sixtus V reportedly entrusted treasures of the early Church -- was martyred.

A Vatican spokesman said no decision has been made on the possibility of opening the catacombs, the newspaper said.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International

So is the guy a loon or does the theory have merit?

GhostSpider · Post by **GhostSpider** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:32 pm

Something powerful resides in Rome. That is all I know.

Yeah, he bitched the entire time we were there.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:52 am

Of course it does. WHy else would they spread rumours that it escaped them?

KonThaak · Post by **KonThaak** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:17 am

I dunno that, if it existed, the Holy Grail would hold much power by itself...so I dunno if Belladrox was sensing that or not.

My gut instinct says not.

If there is a Holy Grail, if it wasn't some falsified artifact made to garner support of the church through the Dark Ages, then I wouldn't know where it would be... I would think twice about touching it, though. That sorta thing reeks of dark necromancy to me.

Think about it... A cup used to catch the blood of a dying man--be he man, Messiah, or other--would probably not be the kind of artifact I'd want to have lying around my house...

But then again, I personally find many things from the Christian perspective to be skewed and just kinda wrong... Not everything, mind you. Christ's message is still potent and true. Pity that his followers twisted it so badly, but that's the way it goes...

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:21 am

From what I have been made to understand, there are a few questionable Artifacts in Rome. The Grail if it is real would be only one of them.

KonThaak · Post by **KonThaak** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:31 am

Two words: Vatican Vault.

There's literally a vault-load of questionable artifacts and materials there...

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:39 am

No Duh. It is a Huge problem waiting to happen, and just one more reason why My bosses, and the Vatican don't get along. :roll:

concrete_Angel · Post by **concrete_Angel** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:47 am

I'm just wondering why anyone would want to hold out a cup to catch a dead guy's blood in the first place. It seems somehow inappropriate, like going to a funeral to give a guy a shave.

Anyone else get a whole DaVinci Code kind of vibe from this?

KonThaak · Post by **KonThaak** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:49 am

Kinda, yeah...

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:44 am

No DaVinci Code, but a different sort of perpetuation.

If my God walked the Earth beside me it is the least I would do probably.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:21 am

The Church has been spreading rumours about the Grail for centuries to keep people off the scent that they actually do have it.

Geoffrey of Monmouth and Dan Brown may or may not have been conciously aware of it, but that is what they were doing.

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:30 am

There is another problem, in that there is in fact more than one item being called the Grail floating around out there. Bigger problem is that at least a couple of them are in fact very Evil artifacts.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:31 am

True, more than one version of Aurthur's sword out there too.

concrete_Angel · Post by **concrete_Angel** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:39 pm

You didn't think it was going to be that easy, did you?

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:40 pm

When is it ever?

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:08 pm

Perhaps as important as the grail is the spear the Roman stabbed Jesus with. There is a lot of myth around that relic too.

KonThaak · Post by **KonThaak** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:41 pm

Longenus' Spear... If it exists, another artifact I would probably view as just another tool of dark necromancy...

DarKnyht · Post by **DarKnyht** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:32 pm

I never put much stalk into that one. The spear may of existed but what were the chances that it would fall into the early christian's hands. At that time they were powerless and usually on the run from the Jewish government (since they were seen as a heretical sect of Judaism). Somehow I doubt a roman soldier would just turn over his spear to them.

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:34 pm

Well if he converted or something. I think it is said that later in life Pilate converted even. And I cannot remember if Josephus ever wrote about these guys and their conversions or lack thereof or the spear... I am pretty sure he never mentioned the grail though.

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:29 pm

Whether the spear started as a powerful artifact or became one, odds are it would have eneded up in someone's hands.

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:40 pm

Well getting it is the main thing. Nevermind power or lack thereof.

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:49 pm

Dangerous Artifacts have a way of turning up.

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:55 pm

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:59 pm

Someone is in a silly mood.

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:18 pm

He's just hung over

and being mean :evil:

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:03 am

The spear was in the possession of the Nazi SS for a while actually then the CIA took it and substituted a copy.

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:36 am

At least that explains how Greybeard got a hold of it. They took it from the O.S.S. precursor to the C.I.A. (Ron as that agency didn't exist then.)

Logos · Post by **Logos** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:35 am

KonThaak wrote:But then again, I personally find many things from the Christian perspective to be skewed and just kinda wrong...

Had you not seen the old English portraits in which several things could happen, involving Jesus' wound? In one variety, the blood pours into the cup while an individual holds it under the spray like a faucet. In another, an individual skips the cup and drinks straight from the wound, Jesus himself looking slightly effeminate (according to art critics), and the wound in that picture could easily be interpreted as a nipple, so the Christ is considered a motherly figure in that instance, nurturing her young. It's true, followers of Christianity have done some creepy things to Jesus over the years, and you're right, though, KT, it does seem pretty wrong, but it's a tradition of wrongness.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:14 am

Shadowstalker wrote:At least that explains how Greybeard got a hold of it. They took it from the O.S.S. precursor to the C.I.A. (Ron as that agency didn't exist then.)

That's just what they want us to beleive.

The agency has existed, in one form or another, since the founding fathers.

Eilonwy Solstice · Post by **Eilonwy Solstice** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:45 pm

Ron Caliburn wrote:The spear was in the possession of the Nazi SS for a while actually then the CIA took it and substituted a copy.

Shadowstalker wrote:At least that explains how Greybeard got a hold of it. They took it from the O.S.S. precursor to the C.I.A. (Ron as that agency didn't exist then.)

Do you guys know something you’re not telling?