An odd package

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:50 am

I don't think I'll find my faith again til I find one that actually answers the questions.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:53 am

That's the crux of my issues as well.

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:55 am

Funny you say crux.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:58 am

Perhaps so . . . but it's a perfectly cromulent word.

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:01 am

Don't go getting fancy on me Caliburn. Don't be a popinjay.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:03 am

I ain't ever done anything with marijuana . . . though I did nail a few Blue Jays wwith a .22 back when I was a kid.

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:06 am

Go check the definition Ron :lol:

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:10 am

Poopinjay? Is that Silent Bob's friend?

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:15 am

Uhhh, nope.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:18 am

Shadowstalker · Post by **Shadowstalker** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:18 am

I get the feeling Ron is just frustrated, as he has been unable to talk for awhile now.
Kolya you worry me sometimes. :shock:

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:21 am

If anyone has the right to blather right now its Ron.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:33 am

Only sometimes? Alright, I won't worry yet then!

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:14 am

I know what the word means.

Hannah · Post by **Hannah** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:47 am

Hi Guys,

How is having faith ilogical? The word is written for us plain as day. It seems illogical to ignore it.

Hannah

PS: It's not a debate, it's a discussion.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:59 am

Ron Caliburn wrote:I know what the word means.

I had to look it up

Bert_the_Turtle · Post by **Bert_the_Turtle** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:00 am

Me too

Just to double check, it doesn't get much use :wink:

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:09 am

Hannah wrote:Hi Guys,

How is having faith ilogical? The word is written for us plain as day. It seems illogical to ignore it.

Hannah

PS: It's not a debate, it's a discussion.

Having faith is not illogical. Well, even that depends on who you ask.

I would argue that the word is not plain as day and Biblical inconsistencies are extremely easy to verify.

What philosophers like Aquinas did was try to apply principles of formal logics to matters of faith. Eternity and Free Will, why Evil exists, "can God create something he cannot destroy?", etc.

The fundamental reason why faith is not logical is because if there is a God and he is the Creator, then he is boundless - he cannot be tied down by laws of nature or logic. So it is pointless to try to discuss religion logically or in limits in which we in the natural world live under.

But having faith is not illogical, I would agree with that.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:09 am

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Me too

Just to double check, it doesn't get much use

Just to first check.

Kei Nakamura · Post by **Kei Nakamura** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:25 am

Faith and logic are two seperate things. Faith is believing in something that cannot be, or has not been, proven. Logic, to me dictates that faith is neither foolish, or illogical. There have been many things that have changed about our understanding of the way the world works - gravity, the earth not being the center of the universe, maggots come from fly eggs not spontanious generation, ect - how can I deny the exixtance of something just because it has not yet been proven? To me that would be illogical.

Just a scientists viewpoint on the topic of faith.

There are very few things that can withstand the cold light of knowledege without revealing the truth - my faith is in logic, and logical process.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:28 am

A scientist that can admit it.

Kei Nakamura · Post by **Kei Nakamura** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:31 am

Can you clarify that statement? Like what I am admitting?

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:33 am

That science is faith.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 1:46 pm

Which is where a lot of the Intellegent Design and Anthropomorphic Global Warming debates take off.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:37 pm

Anthropomorphic Global Warming?

Never heard of this.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:42 pm

The idea that Global Warming is caused by Anthropomorphic (human) factors. The folks who oppose this idea often accuse the proponents of having bought into a psuedo-science cult.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:49 pm

Ah, I slightly misguessed the word.

Ron Caliburn · Post by **Ron Caliburn** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:50 pm

I've also heard it reffered to as Anthropogenic - if that helps.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:51 pm

Yes, actually it does.

Kei Nakamura · Post by **Kei Nakamura** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:06 pm

Science is not faith, I merely have faith in it's methods. I wish that more scientists would follow the scientific method.

You know science is not about denying the unexplained, but rathe rfinding the explanations for it.