Ron this is not your fault. I don't care what this thing is you are not at fault for it's actions. We will find a way to deal with it and then get Rhonda out.

Is it possible this thing could be from Rhonda's fears of the world outside the compond she and you grew up on? If this is the case then you a re not at fault and neither is she, just bad timeing and luck on this thing getting out.

Now wait a second. We're heroes on this plane of existence. We do pretty well here. Then we have people who can operate on the Astral plane. Is it possible there's a Dream Plane somewhere with heroes that we can get aid from?

Greetin's From Maine

Sorry to say this Ron, I like ya enouh I suppose, I don't know you from Jack. I don't think anybody here can really say they do. You keep referring to this thing as part you and part your dad. From I what read from previous posts, I get the impression ya had a very f****d up childhood. Join the club. But what the hell did YOU unleash. This thing isn't your sister's nightmare, its yours isn't it. Its the sum of your all the crap that's happened to you, happened by you, and rolled into one nasty lil glimpse into who Ron Caliburn really is. Tell me Ron why would this thing go after your sister,
from I what I read in previous posts, the only person so hell bent on freein her is you, so how far would go to "free" her, to save her. Would you kill her to do it.
What twisted dark thoughts are running through the head of Ron Caliburn.

The only way any of us can even begin to understand this thing is to finally get to know the real Ron Caliburn, or whoever the hell you really are. This thing isn't some nightmare, its you isn't it. That part of you that scares you the most. Its time to start talking Ron, let us in for God's sake befoire this thing succeeds in what it's tryin to do.

Im here for you man, but I can not look at my Molly, and not help but think about your sister. This thing isn't your sister's demon, its yours......

Looks to me Ron, that your more screwed up than yo relize. You are trying so hard not to be him, that your starting to sound like him.

Maybe you should just go back and pull her out of that place yourself You say you want 0 casulties, I don't think your old man feels that way. He screwed you up but good Ron, you say that your more concerned with saving the innocent, then go save them.

She needs you Ron, maybe its about time you settled the one thing you have yet to.

As for this nightmare thing, why would she have it, ask yourself that question. Or perhaps you don't want to really know the answer to that question. Could your sister see you and your father as one and the same person. If so, why?

Holister some of your ideas hold some merit but you are still working with a major flaw. This thing came from Rhonda, as I have said before these things are not uncommen in youths that have powers and well a little detail I haven't shared with anyone but Ron is that Rhonda saved my hide by casting a spell and knocking the thing off balance so I could put it on the defense, I know where it came from.

Shadowstalker wrote:knocking the thing off balance so I could put it on the defense, I know where it came from.

Yea, that thing has monsterous strength. I wrestled with it once, and if I have to do it again I am not sure I would be so lucky...

As I have said this thing is dangerous, but it is not unbeatable. On a up side Rhonda's dreams have been a bit more quiet of late, not to many nightmares and the dark feel of an other is gone as well.

Yeah Ron is as sane as the rest of us for what thats worth. But then nobody said being the good guy was a safe or smart idea much less sane. Think about it we deal with things by choice more often than by need we face the Darkness not because we have to but because we feel it is our Duty to protect others. Well thats my take at least.

To a previous post in this thread, there is such a thing as the DreamScape. ITs actually a subdivision of the Astral. Everybody goes there in part when they sleep. There are DreamMasters of all various shapes and sizes and powers there that could possibly help. I myself have some experience in the DreamScape working as a DreamShield.

DreamMasters can warp and play with the DreamScape like virtual reality. They are the ones that would go after Freddy Krueger and could very likely win, if he wasn't 'immortal'.

DreamShields are usually people that go out and find those that are having trouble, such as reoccuring terrible nightmares, and the like and take on those dreams for them, or bring them to another corner of the Dreamscape that they can shape and control so as to give those under their charge rest. They can also fight with such proficientcy in the DreamScape as to leave wounds upon the physical body of those they fight, even to the point of being able to kill them. (Much like Freddy... Dream Masters can do the same) DreamShields aren't as powerful as Masters but they are certainly valuable in their own right.

I have met a few and been called something like that myself by some.

Great! So can you guys call in some help with this living nightmare thing?

Sounds promising.

I have been looking but they are not people you find readily. The reson being many people find the idea of someone who can move through their dreams to be distrubing.

The biggest problem here is that Nightmare Ron can manifest physically. We don't know if this is an at-will kind of thing, or if it's something that takes a while... We don't know if he goes back and uses Rhonda to get in and out of the dreamscape or dreamstream or whatever undetected, or if this is an innate ability he possesses on his own. The fact that Shadow alluded earlier to its ability to use magic has gotten me thinking in the past few days...

We're not dealing with an ordinary Nightmare. Ordinary Nightmares can feasibly get into the physical plane, but they lose almost all magic-like abilities they may have had in the dream. It may be because none of my sources know anyone who's known a living Nightmare terribly long (they're one of those things that are put down ASAP, for obvious reasons), but I've not heard of any Nightmares able to just pop in and out of dreamland all on their own. My sources were pretty adamant about that, though several of them did admit that most of the Nightmares they've dealt with or heard about have only lasted a few days.

Ordinary Nightmares can go back to dreamland through the person they originally came out of, but it sounds like Shadow's been monitoring Rhonda's sleep, and that end's been all clear. Kolya has apparently tangoed with this thing physically, and Ron has dealt with it in his dreams...

Which of course begs the question... WTF?

All I can say is...as always, approach with caution. It's been pointed out that it's not unbeatable, so what it is isn't so important as that we can kick the living crap out of it one way or another.

Just be careful not to get taken out in the process, guys.

KT, has your researched uncovered anything that would prevent (or at least make it more difficult for) something getting into our dreams? Lines and Rings of salt or garlic or such block some creatures. Have you found anything that would ward off something that travels through the, uhh, dreamscape, dream stream, whatever?

KonThaak wrote:It's been pointed out that it's not unbeatable, so what it is isn't so important as that we can kick the living crap out of it one way or another.

Just be careful not to get taken out in the process, guys.

That's the most sensible thing you've ever said.

As for this thing going away after a few days, we can only be so lucky

Listening in to the posts, I can kind of understand Holister's comments. I think he may be right on some things, but wrong overall. Sounds like its Ron's nightmare, which means that it won't follow what you would normally do. Remember, its a nightmare, where you want 0 casualities, your nightmare may think that slaughtering everyone and everything will be acceptable as long as the task is finished, ends justify means. As for having someone who doesn't know you come and fight the nightmare, that is kind of a good idea, but bad in that if we don't know which one of you is original, might end up with wrong person getting shot.

Good luck, if I can help out, let me know.

As for the barriers, not sure if those would work, from sound of it, this is mostly a PSI talent/effect, rather than magical.

Greetin's From Maine

Your body double sure gets round Ron. I know that we've never personally met, but when someone usin your name walked into the station house this morning I thought somethin might be amiss. Said he wanted to know where he could find a particular cabin in the woods, something a meeting.

He claimed to know me and even offered to shake my hand for the cash I mailed him. That was untilMolly came running up front with Duke in tow. Duke stopped and growled. Then you looked right at Molly, cursed in some language Im sure you wouldn't know, so I shot it twice. Once in the left shoulder and once in the throat.

Ron, it bled. Alot. It stumbled out the door, bleeding like it was really hurt, and surprised bout it too. Then Duke took a bite out of its legs as I shot at it a third time. I gazed its right temple as it ran off, then it just vanished as it dove into the alley behind The Brick.

When I got back to the station house, I checked on Molly, and she asked me who " The Bad Man Was? " I pulled her into my arms and asked if she was hurt. She looked right into my eyes and asked me who Gabrielle was and if Mr. Fluffers was ok? I don't let her use a computer, so how she knows bout Gabrielle and your cat is a mystery to me. But she tends to do stuff like that.

PS: Im running a full spectrm analysis on the blood, with a CD and DNA test for sits & giggles.
The sample didn't degrade like I thought it would, so this thing may be taking the rest of the night off to lick its wounds.

Ill let you know what I find.

Nice shooting there Tex

Next time you're shooting at a target running away from you, go for a headshot. If you'll notice, when someone is running (typically) the arms and legs are pumping back and forth like crazy, but the head is usually very stable.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:KT, has your researched uncovered anything that would prevent (or at least make it more difficult for) something getting into our dreams? Lines and Rings of salt or garlic or such block some creatures. Have you found anything that would ward off something that travels through the, uhh, dreamscape, dream stream, whatever?

Unfortunately, our dreams are the connection point between our minds and the dreamscape...or dreamstream...or whatever. Dreamland. That's what I'll call it. Dreams are the connection point between our minds and Dreamland.

So you need to protect yourself on Dreamland's side to keep dream entities from getting into your dreams. Otherwise, my dragons would've had a nice meal, and we wouldn't still be having problems.

I do have good news and more bad news. The good news is that a psychic using mental shielding over there minds (commonly just called a "mind blocker") should be able to keep the thing out.

The bad news is that most psychics can only do such shielding for themselves, don't have the energy to do it all night, and can't do it in their sleep. There are a few that have such shieldings running constantly, and they should be protected, but again, that shielding only protects them. There are a very select few, I've heard, who know the secrets of putting up such shields around others in tight situations, but again, don't have the energy to do it all night.

My biggest suggestion, and the one that seemed to work best for me, is lucid dreaming. As I said before, we are gods in our own dreams. So long as we keep believing that we can do anything, we can do ANYTHING, including make entities such as this one completely powerless before us. The best such entities can do is try to make us feel helpless or terribly confused in our dreams, leaving us vulnerable to their attacks.

Sorry I couldn't help with keeping this thing out... I hope that my suggestion will help keep y'all alive in your dreams, at the very least.

Well the Truth is what the Truth is. I guess I'll start working on those Lucid Dreaming hypnosis MP3's.

Ron, man, don't blame yourself.

If it wasn't this it'd be something else.

Besides, you didn't let it out (not that it was intentionally let out in the first place).

Ron, don't blame yourself. If noone else can figure out how the hell this thing is doing the things that it has been doing. If you blame yourself, and let yourself get hurt or killed from guilt, then you let the monster win. That could be part of its plan, make you guilty, so you will get sloppy, get yourself killed or converted over to the dark side.