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Synchronicity and the future

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:35 am
by Natasha

It is not just a Philip K Dick story anymore. Synchronicity spoils a seer's ability to accurately see into the future.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:46 am
by Kolya
You've been drinking with Allegrova?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:49 am
by kalle
Kolya wrote:You've been drinking with Allegrova?
Yes, she drink with me time from time. Well what?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:53 am
by Natasha
Hehe yea, but that is not related to this.

Re: Synchronicity and the future

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:21 am
by Eilonwy Solstice
Natasha wrote:
Synchronicity spoils a seer's ability to accurately see into the future.

Why?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:23 pm
by Natasha
The link between human thought and randomness is relatively miniscule but in some situations it can be oddly profound. Basically, the mind can change things in timespace. A seer seeing 5 minutes into the future sees something that will happen at that precise timespace, but it is possible for a human (any human, not just psychics or mages, and without realising it) can alter that precise time and that precise space, thus making what the seer saw not happen. It is a weird temporal thing that I do not totally understand, and of course having Ivan explain anything is like, well, I may as well try to translate War and Peace into Swahili.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:53 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Ah. I understand what you’re getting at. Although maybe it’s the simple factor of the tradition of humanity to fight against a preconceived road to ruin when confronted with the possibility?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:09 pm
by Kolya
You have to meet Katja :lol:

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:16 pm
by Natasha
Mya, seems it is very random and possibility of danger or ruin is not a concrete determinate. The distribution of distress and didibopping down the street is all over and sometimes off the board.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:17 pm
by Natasha
Kolya wrote:You have to meet Katja :lol:
Guaranteed fun time.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:46 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Natasha wrote:Mya, seems it is very random and possibility of danger or ruin is not a concrete determinate. The distribution of distress and didibopping down the street is all over and sometimes off the board.

Very true. I’m just more familiar with danger as it deals with the near future, which is why I used danger as an example; a biased view, perhaps? My sixth sense generally warns me only slightly in advance, so that forecast is never if ever wrong. However, I am entirely open to the theory of randomness, or the “Chaos Theory” as it were, dispelling any attempt to localize and restrict the forecasting of an event. I think it would be foolhardy to believe, with the nigh infinite possibilities of an unfettered soul to act as she desires, let alone a crowd (which would only add to the possibilities), that her future could be entirely predetermined without any fault. Yes, she might be able to have a prospective reading made, but that would only be in the realm of potential futures at any given moment.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:12 pm
by Kolya
You should meet Ivan, too.

He does not speak English, but the chances of understanding him are about the same.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:22 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
It seems I have a lot of people to meet.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:32 pm
by Kolya
Yes it does. Ivan is actually optional.

But guaranteed to make you wonder, "what's wrong with that guy?"

My favourite is when he stops in the middle of a sentence he is saying during a conversation with him and just walks away from you, and 48% of the time continues the conversation to himself further down the corridor.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:34 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Kolya wrote:Yes it does. Ivan is actually optional.

But guaranteed to make you wonder, "what's wrong with that guy?"

My favourite is when he stops in the middle of a sentence he is saying during a conversation with him and just walks away from you, and 48% of the time continues the conversation to himself further down the corridor.

??? . . . Interesting.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:13 pm
by Kolya
I am still trying to figure out which plane of existence he is on.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:16 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Is that a joke?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:18 pm
by Kolya
:lol:

But no. Sure he looks like a duck, walks like a duck, he even sounds like a duck, but he certainly is not a duck. People with intellects as powerful as Ivan's simply do not function on the same level as the rest of us, and I suspect that they might actually be functioning in a different plane of existence as well.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:32 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Kolya wrote:People with intellects as powerful as Ivan's simply do not function on the same level as the rest of us, and I suspect that they might actually be functioning in a different plane of existence as well.

That certainly is a possibility.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:48 pm
by Kolya
It would explain why he forgets to breathe sometimes.

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:00 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Maybe he has some kind of medical condition?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:17 pm
by Kolya
Hyperintellect crowds out other brain functions sometimes.
But instinct takes over and he starts breathing again.

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:49 pm
by Ron Caliburn
So the entire point of this thread is to point out that free choice trumps fate.

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:54 pm
by Kolya
Sort of, just don't ask me to explain the differences.

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:21 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Differences between what?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:53 pm
by Kei Nakamura
Not fate, fates. For each decision, each result of each variamle, another future spins away. Precognition is merely the ability of of following the threads of influence and deducing the most probable future. I can actually make simulations that can predict the actions of a group of entities or objects with a 70% accuracy. I imagine that the brain of the precognative psychic likely does much the same, while being able to process a much larger array of variables, as well as adding information and new variables on the fly, allowing for much more accurate predictions of the immediate future, as well as predicting the future as it is yet to happen.


And now a prediction from "Madam Nakamura"
Although our foes may be able to do us great harm, the greater the threat that attacks humanity, the greater, both in power, and in number, the heroes humanity will bring to bear on that foe.


That prediction I give a 95% accuracy based on historical events -
The discovery of earth by dragons, we are here and for the most part, they are not

The first kingdom of Ba'Al, toppled by human hands.

The attempts of the Fae to dominate western Europe, foiled by old wives who learned the rules the Fae must follow and spread the knowledge.

Many vampiric incursions during the middle ages, brought to a halt by a pogrom so widespread and terrible that it made it into the mainstream history books.


The othe 5% chance is that I am blinded by hubris and pride in the things that we have survived, even without most knowing what secrets the past holds.

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:31 pm
by Ron Caliburn
There's a key problem with your prediction - back then, even the average schmoe had some understanding of what all those things were.

Now, the general populace has no understanding of what lurks in the shadows and refuses to listen to those who try to teach them. The conscripts from WW2 knew in basic terms what a tank and a fighter plane were and could fight them and fight with them.

Not many people around these days who know the differece between a vampire, a succubus and a rusalka.

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:18 am
by Kei Nakamura
Mr. Caliburn, I am going to disagree with you there.

Every time something has attempted to take over teh world it was not the common people who rose to stop them but rather the few who remained vigilant.

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:35 am
by GhostSpider
Yeah, but there were alot more vigilant people back then. Far more than there are now.

Whats a Rusalka? Sounds russian.

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:16 am
by Kolya
The population was dramatically smaller. Heroes stood out more.

Rusalki are Slavic mer-folk, I think. I am sure Natasha knows. She and Katja have gone out for the afternoon somewhere though. Unfortunately it is impossible to know what Katja means when she says, "we going out on a mission".