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A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:10 pm
by Shang Li
Meet with me, observe my training, and then explain away my skills.

Meet with me, and we will hold discourse, and then explain to me where these memories I have regained have come from.

The only condition I insist upon is that you provide proof that my beliefs are wrong before you mock them. True science, as well as true wisdom, does not discard a thought for lack of proof, but rather discards that which is proven false.

If you cannot disprove the things I show you, I will request that you no longer mock the beliefs of others without proof of their fallacy.

If you can disprove those things that I show you, I shall spevd the rest of my days in your service, to serve you in whatever way you see fit.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:03 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Don't bother Shang.

You're obviosuly a talented youth, a prodigy, who has been trained by clever charlatans and is probably being coached with secret signals from a hidden location.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:32 pm
by Shang Li
Then let them find my hidden accomplices, and prove such claims. It is exceptionally difficult to prove trickery where none exists.

I offer this challenge, in part for my own benifit. You see Mr. Caliburn, with their attempts to disprove my abilities, I may gain a new insight into those same abilities.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:42 pm
by Ron Caliburn
I've seen these folks in action before, their cameras will pick up strange shadows and their recorders will pick up odd sounds indicating your conspirators.

You need to provide roof supporting your claims exactly, and none exists for your situation.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:06 pm
by Shang Li
I suppose you could call it chi manipulation, also I have far more than eight years of memories, some of which are even able to be verified - although those will no doubt be the ones you will be least likely to believe, as I could have read the verifications as easily as you.


How will we rule out my having any co-conspirators? I trust you have ways to prevent and detect hidden communications techniques?

Bring an iron bar, a blade of whatever sort you choose, a newspaper, and any forms of measuring equipment you desire (I am not sure what to have you look for for the measurements that would give proofs to you that would be adequate.)

I hope to learn as much about the way science proves and disproves things as I shall about my own skills.

And do not worry Ms. Dawes, I am a man of honor, if I fail at my attempts, I shall not blame you, but will rather thank you for the opening of my eyes.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:10 pm
by Shang Li
Simple parlor tricks really. Bend the bar, stop a strike of the blade with my skin, and turn the newspaper to ash without any ignition source. Such tricks are easily faked, that is why you are bringing the materials,if you bring them I will not have the opportunity to tamper with them. I have faith in your integrity as a reporter Ms. Dawes, and even after I give you my performance, I do not expect to change your beliefs, but if your methods cannot disprove these "tricks" any better than my beliefs can prove them, I merely expect you to admit the mere possibility that our views may in fact have answers hard science does not.

As an aside, seperate from the challenge, I also hope that you will allow me to have you explain to me your views on the things I will show you, I know well the effects I can produce, I do not however understand the cause of these effects outside of my own paradigm.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:36 am
by Prometheus Ping
Remember the "Satanic Heavy Metal Cult" scare of the 80's? They had a number of people who claimed , along with the doctor who hypnotized them, that they had been sexualy abused by secret cults?
Well, that was all nonce. Turns out the shrink who hypnotized them planted those memories while they were under hypnosis and was taking them on the talk-show circuit to sell the book he wrote about it.
Guess what, a hypnotizing Doctor was on Oprah tis last week , doing the talk show circuit, with people he had regressed to past lives. He has a book for sale too.
Don't drink the Kool Aid. It cheapens the actual experiences with the supernatural world that others have had.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:27 am
by Chen Lung
Li, is this how you show enlightenment, to challenge others to show their own ignorance? Is it not better to act as the universe allows, thereby allowing that they can find their own way without so many eddies in the flow? How does this stirring of the waters lead to greater enlightenment? The people who refuse to see the Tao for what it is will always be blocked from that glory. The attempt to prove yourself to these people will not make you better, it is mere an upset on your own path.

Release this anger toward the blind and simple guide them through danger whan the need arises.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:31 am
by KonThaak
Li-sensei... I understand and appreciate what you are doing, but if these things do not work when the time arises, do not doubt yourself... That woman is a Nega. Her disbelief creates a negative energy field around herself that dampens others' abilities.

Perhaps if you modify your chi to match her negative energy, it could work...but doing so will be uncomfortable at best, and very draining no matter how you do it.

Again, if you can't make it work, do not doubt yourself for it. It isn't her fault, but it isn't yours, either.

Master Lung, it seems to me that Li-sensei is doing this as much for himself as it is to "rub their noses in their ignorance" (which I know isn't your exact wording, but it was the general implication). I do not believe it is out of anger so much as it is a test...

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:46 pm
by Prometheus Ping
Oh, and you can't prove a negative. Just a point of order. It is up to people making a claim in the positive to provide the evidence.
And extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

Re: A challenge for the skeptics.

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:03 pm
by KonThaak
This is true, but science has, as of yet, never said "there is no such thing as psychic powers", they've just said "we lack evidence of the existence", or some such...