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Seriously, who commits suicide like this?

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:27 am
by KonThaak
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/19/North ... olog.shtml

CLEARWATER - Shawn Lonsdale, whose one-man crusade against Scientology made him a public enemy of the church, was found dead at his home over the weekend in an apparent suicide. He was 39.

Police discovered Lonsdale's body at 12:20 p.m. Saturday after neighbors reported a foul odor. They found a garden hose stretched from the exhaust pipe of Lonsdale's car into a window of his home at 510 N Lincoln Ave., according to Clearwater police spokeswoman Elizabeth Daly-Watts.

Daly-Watts said there were no signs of foul play, and police found what appeared to be a suicide note. It was not immediately available.

The medical examiner's office said the official cause of death is pending toxicology reports.

It was a lonely end for a man who emerged out of nowhere in 2006 as a thorn in the side of the Church of Scientology.

For a few months in mid to late 2006, Lonsdale stood alone in downtown Clearwater beside a sandwich board that read "Cult Watch" in the heart of Scientology's religious headquarters.

Videocamera in hand, he taped hours and hours of footage: Scientology buildings, church staffers walking the streets, security guards watching his movements and verbal confrontations with Scientologists. He then edited them into a "pseudo-documentary" about Scientology that eventually aired on local cable television.

Lonsdale, who was never a Scientologist, was an odd nemesis. He had no connection to the church before arguing with a Scientologist over redevelopment issues at a Clearwater City Council meeting.

But the self-described loner stepped into his new role with enthusiasm. At night, he dropped fliers on the doorsteps of downtown businesses. On his lunch break, he parked his car across the street from the church's cafeteria with posters in his window that claimed people could find free versions of secret church texts on the Internet. He even picked church-related documents from piles of trash in front of a Scientology-owned business and posted some of the documents online.

The Church of Scientology and some its members fought back. They hired a private investigator to look into Lonsdale's background and found two misdemeanor convictions for lewd and lascivious conduct, both related to public sex with men, in 1999 and 2000.

They called Lonsdale's employer at a title company and his landlord and said that Lonsdale was a religious bigot, possibly dangerous.

In the fall of 2006, the church subpoenaed Lonsdale for a deposition, contending he was an agent of an anti-Scientology group that was legally barred from protesting in certain places downtown. Attorney Luke Lirot, who has battled Scientology in the past, came to Lonsdale's aid.

"I found him to be quite affable and truly a very intelligent man," Lirot said in an interview Monday. "I certainly hope that a very thorough investigation is conducted."

In the last year, though, the confrontation between Lonsdale and the Church of Scientology seemed to have run its course.

Lonsdale let his anti-Scientology Web site lapse. He posted less and less on anti-Scientology blogs. Church spokeswoman Pat Harney said it had been months since the church heard from Lonsdale.

Randy Payne, a former Scientologist, said Lonsdale found it impossible to be a full-time church critic and make a living.

Payne said that he last spoke to Lonsdale two months ago, and that Lonsdale had found steady work on the night shift at a local company, stocking shelves. He talked about going back to school and getting a private investigator's license.

"He was getting on with his life," Payne said. "He had every reason to live."

Landlord Joe Critchley said Lonsdale was an ideal tenant: He paid the $650 rent on time every month and he kept the place clean. The last time they talked, Feb. 1 or Feb. 2, Lonsdale seemed fine. "He would be one of the last people I would expect to commit suicide," Critchley said. "But you never know."


As the title of this thread asks, who commits suicide like this? I'd think that most apartments are spacious enough--and ventilated enough--that such a suicide attempt would be slow, painful, and stupid. Also, considering the cult's previous records of covering up mysterious deaths, it adds a sinister, horrible twist to this whole case.

But I'm not an expert. What do y'all think?

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:30 am
by KonThaak
If you get high enough in Scientology, you find out that Jesus was a movie that some dead alien was forced to watch some 65 million years ago, a movie that confused this poor dead alien so badly, that it began to think that *it* was Jesus, so it went around inhabiting peoples' bodies, making them believe *they* were Jesus, until one of them got a big name for themselves. So according to Scientology, Christianity isn't a legitimate religion, but theirs is.

I've never heard of a "religion" that sets about trying to discredit other religions. The closest anyone ever came was Protestantism to Catholicism and Buddhism to Hinduism, and in neither case does the splinter group's religion say anything bad about the religion they come from *in their religious texts*.

Anyway, I'll stop ranting now.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:46 pm
by concrete_Angel
Sorry, but the whole thing was nothing but an idea Hubbard used as a way to bilk stupid people out of money. The guy was a science-fiction writer, and could tell a great story, but he only came up with the "religion" because he wanted to get rich.

As for anyone else's comments about REAL religions:

God- "I refuse to prove that I exist, because proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing."

man- "But the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves that you exist, and so therefore, you don't. QED"

God- "Oh dear, I hadn't thought about that." and he disappears in a puff of logic.

man- "Oh, that was easy!" and he goes on to prove that black is white, and gets run over at the nearest zebra crossing.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:13 pm
by GhostSpider
Once again, KT brings up his crusade against Scientology.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:15 pm
by KonThaak
GS, what's that supposed to mean? There are a grand total of two threads dedicated to Scientology, but that statement makes it sound like I'm some kind of obsessive weirdo or something.

This thread is only questioning whether or not Mr. Lonsdale's death was a suicide.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:22 pm
by GhostSpider
Sorry, meant it as a comment, not an insult.

Still, you do seem to hold a strong resentment against them.


Oh, and you have three threads dedicated to your little crusade.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:46 pm
by KonThaak
There's this one and the "My latest fight" thread... I ran a search, and only this thread comes up--I don't even mention Scientology in "my latest fight".

I didn't intend to bring them up in this thread, either, except they're the prime suspect in Lonsdale's death...and all I'm saying is, I don't think it's reasonable to believe that a rubber hose through the window of an apartment is a way someone would attempt to commit suicide. He made enemies with the Co$, and due to their history, that (to me) makes them prime suspects.

'Sall I'm sayin'.

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:16 pm
by concrete_Angel
Admittedly, the way the guy lived his life, they do seem to be the most likely people to question about his death. Hell, if you watch enough CSI, you could make anything look like an apparent suicide these days.

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:58 pm
by Logan
Making a death a suicide is fairly easy, actually, especially if you have any kind of leverage with the police department in question. I prefer the suicide myself, less ominous than someone just disappearing, and less questions than when they have an "accident".

Try looking into who handled the case, and if there are any connections between them and the church in question, one of the most common mistakes made by amature operators is working to close to home.