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Dermography
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:54 pm
by Natasha
I know that there are plenty of skeptics about dermography, even among parapsychologists and psychics themselves. However, I have just finished writing a report with a colleague in which we have observed this psychic power in two test subjects. Nothing was faked.
Each was able to demonstrate conscious control over the writing on their skin, however, they were also able to make contact with something beyond the physical realm. We believe that this psychic power taps into intelligences. When focusing on a question, the 5-10 word answers appeared on the flesh, but sometimes there was unreadable gibberish, not any known language modern or arcane. Sometimes the answer was "cannot reveal the answer". So we have human magic 8-balls now?
We think it requires further research to verify that these psychics are indeed making contact with an intelligence or at least with an intelligence's agent or agents and not supplying these words themselves. Initial tests suggest this is genuine.
Should be interesting.
Anyone have experience with demography, hoaxes or genuine? Comments, questions, or other feedback?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:36 pm
by Kolya
No divination usage. Intelligences don't know the future, but perhaps dermographers can hook up with something that does?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:32 pm
by GhostSpider
Intelligences don't know the future
And you know this how?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:38 pm
by Kolya
GhostSpider wrote:Intelligences don't know the future
And you know this how?
Ask one.
And it is well established in the lore. It is not just something I made up.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:10 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Nothing knows the future - they only know possibilities.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:07 am
by Natasha
Kolya wrote:No divination usage. Intelligences don't know the future, but perhaps dermographers can hook up with something that does?
It is not immediately clear exactly what is being contacted that gives these replies. With this psychic power, choosing an intelligence or other "substance" which gets contacted is not possible. Perhaps a magic ritual could be developed for this, but as psychic powers go, I doubt it is possible to decide who (or what) answers you. Still a lot of research to be poured into this topic.
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:15 pm
by Kolya
Sounds like it has some real potential, but how is this different from automatic writing and such things as that?
Re: Dermography
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:12 pm
by Ethan Skinner
Natasha wrote:I know that there are plenty of skeptics about dermography, even among parapsychologists and psychics themselves.
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Anyone have experience with demography, hoaxes or genuine? Comments, questions, or other feedback?
I've come across hoaxes that looked fake, hoaxes that looked real, physical phenomina, mental phenomina, and phenomina I wouldn't define as either.
What I'd like to know is how you accomplished this. All the times I've ever studied them, I get zilch. But their powers work fine in the field.
Clarity...that's why I call her that. Her visions are surprisingly accurate.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:04 pm
by Natasha
We tried stimulating the brain and we went deep, but even that was not enough. We had to find natural means of upping their energy levels to get them to be able to pull these things off. It took a lot of planning and time and effort. Some folks around here are saying more than it's worth. I disagree though.
Re: Dermography
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:22 pm
by skeptic
Natasha took time out to fax me a copy of the original and translated (I wasn't allowed to choose the translator) report.
Although a couple pages were missing and some other pages saw a generous application of the fat black KGB marker, there was plenty to read.
Modern cases are fairly easy debunked.
Sensitive skin can sometimes manifest glyphs traced upon them with a blunt object minutes afterwards and then fade away.
The older cases found in the literature seem quite convincing but since practically all modern cases are hoaxes, there's no reason to believe any of the older cases are genuine psychic powers.
Her report includes a section in which hypnotic suggestion was used to produce some "skin writing" (this is a known phenomenon) and casts real doubt on the psychic nature of all this bunk.
It also talks about some cases of urticaria occurring simply as the result of stress.
The video clip with English subtitles was interesting but just that.
The overwhelming evidence is against skin writing.
I have to tell you though.
The more time I spent communicating with Natasha, the more she reminds me of the people I grew up around:
brainiacs who just can't let go of a pet theory with no basis in reality.
But I really do appreciate her taking the time out of her busy schedule for me.
Speaking of busy schedules...
Re: Dermography
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:02 pm
by Natasha
skeptic wrote:I have to tell you though.
The more time I spent communicating with Natasha, the more she reminds me of the people I grew up around:
brainiacs who just can't let go of a pet theory with no basis in reality.
No basis in reality as you perceive it to be.

Re: Dermography
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:08 am
by Doctor Boggs
It does sound pretty fascinating, but I've gotta agree with what others here have said, I don't hold much precognition. Without some kinda independent verification it's hard to accept this is anything more than a psychosomatic reaction of some kind.
Even if it weren't, seems like a poor way to spend a lotta taxpayer dollar's, could stir up trouble you didn't mean to go looking for. Either way, where's the gain?
Re: Dermography
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:56 am
by Natasha
Doctor Boggs wrote:It does sound pretty fascinating, but I've gotta agree with what others here have said, I don't hold much precognition. Without some kinda independent verification it's hard to accept this is anything more than a psychosomatic reaction of some kind.
Even if it weren't, seems like a poor way to spend a lotta taxpayer dollar's, could stir up trouble you didn't mean to go looking for. Either way, where's the gain?
I brought it up to the Society since I can't study it myself and so nobody's taxes are being spent on it beyond the initial tests. And let's be honest that was a drip of mist in the ocean. The gain is, well, something the paranormal world has never seen - the human mind probing into the realm of alien intelligences and not going immediately and irrevocably insane. The human mind can only travel so high into the etheric before it experiences so much that is alien to it that it must back away; going higher than the Astral is dangerous but only theoretically since nobody's actually done it before. If the human experience
can go higher, well, that's unexplored territory.
Re: Dermography
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:58 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Natasha wrote:I brought it up to the Society since I can't study it myself and so nobody's taxes are being spent on it beyond the initial tests. And let's be honest that was a drip of mist in the ocean. The gain is, well, something the paranormal world has never seen - the human mind probing into the realm of alien intelligences and not going immediately and irrevocably insane. The human mind can only travel so high into the etheric before it experiences so much that is alien to it that it must back away; going higher than the Astral is dangerous but only theoretically since nobody's actually done it before. If the human experience can go higher, well, that's unexplored territory.
Well, that pretty well covers my concerns there Natasha, I appreciate that. Still sounds a bit risky if it really works, but that's what informed consent is for I suppose, so best of luck to ya!
Re: Dermography
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:09 pm
by skeptic
Waste. Of. Time.