I don't think I'll find my faith again til I find one that actually answers the questions.

Funny you say crux.

Don't go getting fancy on me Caliburn. Don't be a popinjay.

Go check the definition Ron

Poopinjay? Is that Silent Bob's friend?

Uhhh, nope.

Oh.

I get the feeling Ron is just frustrated, as he has been unable to talk for awhile now.
Kolya you worry me sometimes.

If anyone has the right to blather right now its Ron.

Only sometimes? Alright, I won't worry yet then!

Ron Caliburn wrote:I know what the word means.

I had to look it up

Me too

Just to double check, it doesn't get much use

Hannah wrote:Hi Guys,

How is having faith ilogical? The word is written for us plain as day. It seems illogical to ignore it.

Hannah

PS: It's not a debate, it's a discussion.

Having faith is not illogical. Well, even that depends on who you ask.

I would argue that the word is not plain as day and Biblical inconsistencies are extremely easy to verify.

What philosophers like Aquinas did was try to apply principles of formal logics to matters of faith. Eternity and Free Will, why Evil exists, "can God create something he cannot destroy?", etc.

The fundamental reason why faith is not logical is because if there is a God and he is the Creator, then he is boundless - he cannot be tied down by laws of nature or logic. So it is pointless to try to discuss religion logically or in limits in which we in the natural world live under.

But having faith is not illogical, I would agree with that.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Me too

Just to double check, it doesn't get much use

Just to first check.

Faith and logic are two seperate things. Faith is believing in something that cannot be, or has not been, proven. Logic, to me dictates that faith is neither foolish, or illogical. There have been many things that have changed about our understanding of the way the world works - gravity, the earth not being the center of the universe, maggots come from fly eggs not spontanious generation, ect - how can I deny the exixtance of something just because it has not yet been proven? To me that would be illogical.

Just a scientists viewpoint on the topic of faith.

There are very few things that can withstand the cold light of knowledege without revealing the truth - my faith is in logic, and logical process.

A scientist that can admit it.

Can you clarify that statement? Like what I am admitting?

That science is faith.

Anthropomorphic Global Warming?

Never heard of this.

Ah, I slightly misguessed the word.

Yes, actually it does.

Science is not faith, I merely have faith in it's methods. I wish that more scientists would follow the scientific method.

You know science is not about denying the unexplained, but rathe rfinding the explanations for it.