• An odd package

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:19 pm**

I actually have no idea, my research has only been able to uncover effects to date, not causes.

The best theory I have on the subject is that the belief makes it work. The stake through the heart was long believed to keep a dead person from rising, a logical assumption when one considers that the practice originally used a stake of 36 inches or so, thereby pinning the body in place. silver, I am not certain, but water has long been belived to be the great "cleanser", and what is more unclean than the walking dead?

I am not yet certain if the effects caused the belief, or the belief causes the effects - I consider it an "ongoing study"

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:23 pm**

I'm sure KT could shed more light on this, but this is what my research as turned up.

Silver and Water have a certain "purity" that causes damage to vampires. Wood, I'm not sure of, maybe purity again, maybe it connects them to the natural cycle of life and death, damned if I know.

Holy symbols work off of pure faith as far as I can tell.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:07 pm**

I was once told that vampires are, in some way, elemental creatures and that the wood reconneted them to the earth. Didn't make any sense then, and still doesn't make much.

As for silver, i've always believed it to be a "pure" metal, and so anathema to supernatural creatures.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:03 am**

Now here's a question - if silver, the symbol of purity harms vampies, why doesn't gold, the symbol of the sun do likewise?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:07 am**

Kei Nakamura wrote:I had an idea of taking powdered silver, adding some ANTH3, both in powder format of course, and creating a small bursting charge (most likely a cold chemical reaction, as we dont want to ignite the thermite at this stage) to scatter the fine mixed dust of the two products into the surrounding air, aproximately 1-3 seconds later an electronic igniter createds a spark to ignite the thermite dust that is hanging in the air.

Result should be something similar to silver plating anything in the detonation radius, with considerable overpreasure and thermal effects asa well.

Perhaps if functional on a hand thrown level something could be designed to reduce the radius, as well as the size of the device - to let's say 40 millimeters or less.

So a thrmobaric effect combined with a dustign of the target in silver - that would be a pretty complicated and expensive device, and I am unsure how effective it would be. The quantities of silver involved are too insignifigant to do any tissue damage at any signifigant depth. I expect a rash or burn like injury may occur, but little more than that.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:08 am**

Excellent question Ron. And one that has me completely stumped.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:44 am**

Not that I particularly want to shell out for them, but gold's properties re pretty similar to lead, which is the typical material bullets are made out of, so I suspect they would be a lot easier to make and more effective than silver rounds for fleshy targets.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 1:59 am**

Good question about Gold.

I'd be more than willing to front the money to develop a few prototype silver flash fry grenades like you described.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 8:48 am**

The silver would need to penetrate even clothes. Most vamps probably are too stuck on themselves to wear armour.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 10:03 am**

I'm not sure the grenade as described will drive the silver beyond the firs few layers of skin.

Creative idea, but I'm not sure it will work - like those folks who think Silver Nitrite will do wonders.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 10:51 am**

Still, would be fun to test.

I love testing out new hardware.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 10:56 am**

Might be entertaining - but I wouldn't risk my life trying to find out if it works.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 11:00 am**

Kei is very thorough, I think it would be alright.

Anyway, if you need someone to test, I'm game.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 11:08 am**

Correct, the effect would be too sudden, and to diffuse to achive any real penetration, however I theorize the effect would be most unpleasant, as the result should be an instant silver plating effect on 80%+ of the victim's body.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 11:16 am**

Touching silver doesn't cause excessive discomfort to a vampire - ther would probably be burn or ash style injuries as silver particles were driven deep into the skin.

I think my garlic oil / holy water grenades would probably acheive similar effects and be less expensive.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:24 pm**

Hi Everyone

I thought evil creatures are 'fected by silver because of Judas sellin' out Jesus for silver.

Hannah

PS: Thats what my other Pa told me anyway.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:25 pm**

Err, if that were the reason, wouldn't evil creatures be empowered by silver insted?

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 12:28 pm**

Hi Bert,

Naw, God cursed 'em for it.

Hannah

PS: Like he cursed 'em with not being able to stand the sun.

Posted: **Tue May 01, 2007 1:04 pm**

I dunno. I'm not really seeing the logic here.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:07 am**

Ironic Punishment - evil lusts for silver so silver can destroy evil.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:09 am**

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:I dunno. I'm not really seeing the logic here.

If religion were logical, it would not religion. It would be logic.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:14 am**

Remind me to never debate religion with you three :lol:

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:16 am**

Which three?

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:18 am**

Hannah, Ron, and Kolya :lol:

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:23 am**

Oh, ok. Yea.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:33 am**

I just avoid debating it.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:37 am**

I normally love getting into debates of any kind.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:43 am**

I don't mind a debate - but religion is somehtign that typiclaly can't be debted without somone taking smethign personally.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:44 am**

I am one of those that say since religion is based in faith, you cannot apply logic even if Thomas Aquinas wanted to.

Posted: **Wed May 02, 2007 1:49 am**

Lots of people use logic to justify their faith.