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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:37 pm
by Kolya
I agree. I think we need to be selective about who to maximise value and minimise charlatannery.
Some times it's nice not being on top of the world.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:40 pm
by Ron Caliburn
We can't afford to be selective - any day now Hell is going to break loose - literally.
We need lots of people able to stand up and help out if that happens.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:41 pm
by Kolya
Need? Sure that's what we need.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:45 pm
by Ron Caliburn
So selecting individuals one at a time isn't going to cut it.
The world needs to recognize the thread and we need to be able to recruit people for monster hunters the way they do LEOs or soldiers.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:53 pm
by Kolya
Which is a selective process. In some cases an extremely selective process.
And requires a degree of formality and legitimacy that will not be easily formed with hacks and charlatans distorting everyone's view.
I am no where near dealing with a lot of threats that can happen at any time. I have urgency to build the capability but ask Russian submariners what happens when you try to rush something into operations when it simply is not ready. A lot of ground lost in the blink of an eye.
The urgency is there, but turning up too much heat just burns the food it does not really cook it.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:03 pm
by Ron Caliburn
The heat's already been turned up - I'd just like to put the pot on the stove instead of having raw meat.
Wow . . .that was a horrible analogy.
The charlatans and what not already exist - cluing in the general public if anythign will make it harder for them because less people will be dumb enough to fall for it.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:21 pm
by Kolya
I think the only difference is time frame.
We need to select those who could educate the general population effectively. We need to be selective when looking for those people. We need to find those that can effectively educate the population in way that marginalises the charlatans and the crackpots without giving them a ground to breed on. I understand they are here now. I have taken many out myself, but if we are not careful, they will become a problem as big as any other, or at least such a distraction that the real problems go unchecked.
In many situations speed will see you through. I do not think this is one of them. Time is not on our side one way or another. I rather die doing my best, rather than just dying tired.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:35 pm
by Shadowstalker
Kolya is right in that if we rush headlong into trying to inform everyone, it would do more harm than good. But I can also tell you there are more people out there who do know the truth, and are doing what they can to both spread the word and prepare.
It is just a slow Path.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:15 pm
by Ron Caliburn
The last good figure we had to spread the truth disappeared over 20 years ago.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:19 pm
by Shadowstalker
True, we need someone new who could reach people, and explain things in a reasonable fashion.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:30 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Can't we just kill the charlatans as they appear til they learn it isn't safe enough to be profitable?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:32 pm
by Shadowstalker
Kill no. Frighten the Living *#%&! out of them could work thou.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:33 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Can't we just kill the charlatans as they appear til they learn it isn't safe enough to be profitable?
Uhh . . . no.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:34 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Darn. Ok.
I guess I can settle for scaring.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:36 pm
by Ron Caliburn
I typically prefer discredit, expose and humiliate myself -unless they are actively, intentionally doing harm.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:36 pm
by Shadowstalker
Who knows it could if done right turn them into true believers, and then they could prove useful? But I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:26 pm
by Kolya
Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Can't we just kill the charlatans as they appear til they learn it isn't safe enough to be profitable?
To answer your question. Yes, we
can.
Should we? I'm with Ron on this one.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:30 pm
by duamerthrax
kill them all, and let their gods sort them out.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:34 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Shadowstalker wrote:Who knows it could if done right turn them into true believers, and then they could prove useful? But I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Some might - look how it paid off for Penn and Teller
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:36 pm
by duamerthrax
did you ever see their show about mother teresa?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:39 pm
by Kolya
I never even heard of them.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:43 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Couple of stage magicans - commedians.
They do a lot of "how it's done" style magic.
I really love the routine with the cigarette.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:44 pm
by duamerthrax
how about the axe and the shark tank?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:46 pm
by Kolya
I've seen some weird cigarette tricks.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:49 pm
by Ron Caliburn
You enjoying the nightlife with Sasha again?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:50 pm
by Kolya
Enjoying? Well at least some of it.
Experiencing? Absolutely.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:32 pm
by Natasha
"I love your accent *bubble blabber bubble*"
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:05 am
by Ron Caliburn
bubble blabber bubble?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:07 am
by Natasha
She thought St. Petersburg was in Germany and a bunch of other really stupid things she said.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:09 am
by Shadowstalker
Ok somebody get that girl an Atlas.