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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:27 pm
by Kei Nakamura
Actually the historical evidence shows that there are more who are vigilant now than there has been ever before, it appears to be percentage of the population based. However our numbers appear smaller due to the fact that society today does not blindly, or even at all, accept what is done to protect the majority of the populous.
Jason and the argonoughts were what 15 people? Charlemain and his knight were what 13 warriors? How many times in history has a group much smaller than the list of those who actively work these board have risen up and stopped supernatural disaters?
Unfortunately, unless someone can find a way to satisfactorily explain both the abilities that are so often used, and our opposition to science, we are unlikey to be accepted as anything other than "crackpots".
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:32 pm
by Kolya
Sometimes legend is injected into history. Such as the bogatyr Ilya Muromets.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:33 pm
by Kei Nakamura
More often legend is that part of history that made so many people uncomfortable they as a whole decided "it can't be true".
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:44 pm
by Kolya
I cannot prove it one way or another.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:07 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Kei Nakamura wrote:Mr. Caliburn, I am going to disagree with you there.
Every time something has attempted to take over teh world it was not the common people who rose to stop them but rather the few who remained vigilant.
From the last time something tried to take over the world - here's a short list of the men and women that stepped up to stop them.
35 million Soviets
16 million Americans
5.9 million British
5.6 million Chinese (Republican and Communist)
2.25 Indians (Serving under the British)
1.25 million French (Including the FFL and Vichy Forces who fought against the Germans after the Allied invasion of Europe.)
1.1 million Canadians
1 million Australians
428 000 Poles who served with the Western Allies or the Soviets
204 000 New Zealanders
Not including the partisans who fought out of uniform and the people who contribted on the home front to make the weapons and supplies to keep these militaries moving. . .
Seems to me a lot of common people stepped up.
In our fight, the way things are now, the war will probably be over before the common folk clue in that there's a danager.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:12 pm
by Sasha
Muromets is my hero.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:16 pm
by GhostSpider
Wasn't a Bogatyr a russian knight of some kind?
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 am
by Kolya
Bogatyr can be any hero in folklore.
Vityaz is an actual knight, and, as far as I know, straightly translates to knight only.
Vityaz is also the code name of a counter-terrorism unit.
The Russian Knights are like America's Blue Angels.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:30 am
by Ron Caliburn
Knight has had a few different uses as well.
Typically it refers to someone who has officially been knighted by an appropriate authority. Ususally the knighted individual is a warrior.
However, more than a few heroes without an official tittle were reffered to as knights because they were considered worthy of the title. This usage sounds a lot more like the Bogatyr thing.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:56 am
by Kolya
That's right. Vityaz is equivalent to the English word knight in its usage, which may be a hero but not officially a knight.
Bogatyri are vityazi in folklore, let's say.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:28 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Interesting distinction.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:20 pm
by Kolya
I'm not a lorist but I never heard bogatyr outside folklore/mythology anyway.