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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:08 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Silver particles suspended in water . . . I can see how a vampire might find that unpleasant.

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:13 pm
by Kolya
Sort of a double whammy there.

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:39 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Yeah . . not sur if it would have the immobilize effect, but I suspec it would burn like holy water.

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:58 pm
by Kei Nakamura
Looked more like a prolonged dip in an acid was to me. Flesh melted to the bone in seconds, and from the shreiking, it sounded painfull as well.

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:38 pm
by Ron Caliburn
More or less the effect of holy water.

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:30 pm
by Kei Nakamura
Another trick for Kyuuketsuki, they may not need to breathe to live, but they need to pass air over their vocal cords to talk. A fine dusting of powdered silver would mos likely be unpleasant. Or a fine mist of holy water to be inhaled - burn from the inside out.

UV lights may not hurt them per say, but I have noticed they find full spectrum lighting unpleasant on their eyes. I belive it may have something to do with the larger number of cones in the retina causing them to be far more sensative tto certain wavelengths. I would have more data on this, but I am not a hunter, and kyuuketsuki that I would trust to not try to have me for a snack in the middle of an experiment that is probably painfull to them are rare indeed.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:51 am
by Ron Caliburn
I've had some good work with a mixture of garlic oil and holy water as an irritant agaisnt vampires.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:36 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
I prefer the more direct Silver Coated Ball Bearing Fragmentation Grenade myself.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:39 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Perhaps - but very expensive and has the chance of causing problems if you have innocents about or are too close to the blast radius. My oil and water charge I can pull the pin on without even pulling it off my tac vest.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:41 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Valid point. But they regenerate so quickly that if you don't inflict real damage they won't be held at bay for more than a few moments.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:57 pm
by Kolya
Yea, Bert loves blast radius.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:45 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Very true . . . which is what the silver bullets,s ilver blades and silver stakes are for.

I'm unafraid to pop off my oil and holy grenade when there is an innocent in the same room as the vamp. I wouldn't dare do that with a frag.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:50 pm
by Shadowstalker
I have been meaning to ask if DarKnyht if he would like the loan of a couple of the Paint Ball guns my team and I use and a supply of HolyWater filled Paint balls? Major nasty on Vamps and not to dangerouse to humans.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:03 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Interesting idea - probably won't keep 'em down for the count, but would keep 'em off balance until you put them down.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:38 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Paintballs are generally too slow to make effective weapons. You can, with some practice and skill, knock 'em out of the air with your hand.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:42 pm
by Ron Caliburn
If you use a competition legal marker, sure.

But if you tinker you can crank the muzzle velocity quite a bit.

A lot of police departments use the markers for training, so I have some experience servicing and modifying them.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:45 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Now why didn't I think of that...

*Insert sound of Bert's Trigger-happy part of the brain having an orgasm*

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:48 pm
by Ron Caliburn
*insert sound of draino being poured into brain to clenase mind of memory of that horrible sound*

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:58 pm
by Shadowstalker
The Paint Ball guns my team and I use have been tweeked majorly and are able to do full auto as well, so as Ron said they won't put a vamp down but they will ruin its night and make things easier for a proper take down.
Bert you are weird but we knew that.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:00 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Depending on where you set the pressure on those Shadow, I bet you run into a fair number of balls bursting in the barrel.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:09 pm
by Shadowstalker
Actually the tech guys tweeked them for the best effects. Also the pellets we use are not standard, so up shot not as often as you may think and mostly only when doing full auto that is why I tend to only use semi auto mode myself. So at worst we get 1 in 30 at worst that bursts before leaveing the Barrel more often it is only 1 out of 50, Odds I can deal with and no big deal to just keep shooting normally.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:14 pm
by Kolya
Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Paintballs are generally too slow to make effective weapons. You can, with some practice and skill, knock 'em out of the air with your hand.

Without breaking them? That is matrix type stuff.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:14 pm
by Kolya
Ron Caliburn wrote:If you use a competition legal marker, sure.

But if you tinker you can crank the muzzle velocity quite a bit.

A lot of police departments use the markers for training, so I have some experience servicing and modifying them.

Can you crank them up very much without destroying the balls?

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:15 pm
by Kolya
Ron Caliburn wrote:Depending on where you set the pressure on those Shadow, I bet you run into a fair number of balls bursting in the barrel.

I suppose I should read to the end before posting....

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:53 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Kolya wrote:
Ron Caliburn wrote:Depending on where you set the pressure on those Shadow, I bet you run into a fair number of balls bursting in the barrel.

I suppose I should read to the end before posting....


Perhaps. If you use a more resilliant compount, or thicker compound, the balls are less prone to breakage - but the former reduces muzzle velocity and the latter reduces usable load. Both make it harder for the balls to break on impact.

It all reqires some carefull calculation.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:53 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Kolya wrote:
Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Paintballs are generally too slow to make effective weapons. You can, with some practice and skill, knock 'em out of the air with your hand.

Without breaking them? That is matrix type stuff.


No, no, you break them. But if you take them on the Glove or Shield, what's the damage? "Oh no! I got my cowhide glove wet! Its ruined!"

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:09 pm
by Ron Caliburn
The question is, I suppose, is the vamp expecting it enough to wear gloves?

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:29 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
If you could be killed by water, why would you not be wearing some protective clothing? I'd wear a fucking raincoat all the time.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:09 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Funny thing is, I've never encountered one that takes that kind of protections.

I have a few theories about why.

First is arrogance. They sincrely beleive themselves indestructable and pay no heed to their frailties.

Second is appearance. It is one thing to be vulnerable, it is another thing to broadcast that vulnerability. Besides, they like to blend in with humans.

Third, and this one I am way out on, but I think they like being exposed. They are feral creatures at heart, and the freedom of running unfetered is too tempting for them.

Whatever the reason, I sincrely hope they don't get over it.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:17 pm
by Bert_the_Turtle
Agreed. Ever see Peter's Evil Overlord list Ron?