Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Do they know much about magic and the supernatural?

Why do you think they seal themselves up in a compound. They are one of the few groups of people th actually know how dangerous this world is and take steps to protect themselves.

Willie, the offer is nice, but you don't have the right . . . uhm . . . complexion to fit in there.

Yeah, Shadow sums it up nicely. As much of a disagreement as I have with the folks inside, they are still the family and firneds I grew up with. As cults go, they ain't bad, just paranoid, isolationist and waiting for the end of the world to come. Real bunker folk.

Darn, I was hoping we'd have an advantage considering the wide variety of weird shit the Society can pull out of its collective hat. Magic swords, magic, shapeshifting, uber strength, etc.

As for Willie, even if he wasn't right for undercover I'd be more than happy to give him the keys to my special ride and let him play the role of backup. Now, it can't stand up to rocketry but there isn't a calibre of bullet that can easily penetrate the armor. Even .50 has a good chance of bouncing off. On the other hand its not that fast anymore; granted Volvo Stationwagons aren't exactly the epitome of speed to begin with.

Ron Caliburn wrote:. . . you don't have the right . . . uhm . . . complexion to fit in there.

Help, help, the big scary black man is bein' oppressed!

As much of a disagreement as I have with the folks inside, they are still the family and firneds I grew up with. As cults go, they ain't bad...

They're bad enough that you got us worryin' for ... Rhonda.

Depending on the state and what this cult considers "marriagable age," there are a number of avenues you could pursue, Jack.

*Launch an operation to extract Rhonda.
One non-violent possibility is slipping in a Society member to marry Rhonda and ... "elope."

*Rat out the cult to the F.B.I. for child abuse.
Two drawbacks: they're your friends, and Rhonda might get hurt during the cult's ... "discussion" with the feds.

*Try and win legal custody of Rhonda.
The difference between "extraction" and "kidnapping" is 25 to life.

KT said Adama can turn into a ghost or something; if he's willing he could serve as a messenger between you and Rhonda.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:As for Willie, even if he wasn't right for undercover I'd be more than happy to give him the keys to my special ride...

I wouldn't mention that in front of Frog.

"Help, help, the big scary black man is bein' oppressed!"

Check yer PMs later I don't wanna derail the thread.

"I wouldn't mention that in front of Frog. "

Hahaha.

"*Try and win legal custody of Rhonda.
The difference between "extraction" and "kidnapping" is 25 to life."

I'm in favor of this plan currently.

Winning guardianship with their father still alive will be a bitch-and-a-half. The only way I think a judge would go for it is if Ron could prove she's in danger. He could get the ball rolling by calling 1-800-422-4453, but they might flip out when state investigators arrive.

Yo, any Society lawyers out there? Represent!

Ron I think I may be able to do something to help I also can do the what you called the ghost thing and few other things as well such as what some of my team kiddingly refer to as my Jedi mind tricks. Basicly with some time to set it up I could pop in meet up with or find "Rhonda" and then quietly walk out the front gate with her by my side. I realise that may sound to simple to work but that is because I'm not going into the details of just how I'd do such a thing and trust me it's a bit more involed than I may make it sound thou if she is willing to leave that is more than a few problems delt with there. Let me know If i can help.

Well golly, it sounds like we have the makings of a plan.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Well golly, it sounds like we have the makings of a plan.

Or the makings of an immense disaster. If our very own Ron Caliburn doesn’t go anywhere without a twelve gauge shotgun within immediate reach, and he learned everything he knows from them, then why shouldn’t they be similarly armed? And if they’re all suspicious of the “big, bad world,” they’ll have defenses against this “ghosting.” If anything is tried, something will surely go wrong. This would not be an escapade to just “walk in and out.” If they’re as paranoid as Ron makes them out to be, they may very well have a plan to counter anything you can come up with.

That’s not to say you shouldn’t try. Just be cautious.

Ron, when you say you were . . . “groomed” to lead the cult, how devastating was your loss to them? Did they have a backup plan for such an occurrence? And you have said the reunion would not be all brightly painted if you came back . . . but is that solely because you left after giving them the black eye, because they would never forgive a deserter, because you detest all cults, or a combination of all three? Are you completely excommunicated? What is there stance concerning the “penitent”?

Well, that's the problem with all forms of static defense. If it can be studied it can be gotten around. I should know, I made a career (albeit a short one) out of doing it. Although my plans usually included explosions.

Ok, a plan is formulating in my head. Anyone else want to volunteer their skills and time and resources?

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Ok, a plan is formulating in my head. Anyone else want to volunteer their skills and time and resources?

Would Ron be able to sleep at night if I did? I had better pass on this one. Although if Willie offers his services, I might have to tag along. Purely to keep my habit of training strong, you understand.

Well, I get the feeling we'll be operating in the great outdoors and you're extremely prone to sunburn. So you might wanna sit this one out.

Ron Caliburn wrote:Trust me, they think of this stuff....

Daaaaamn. Lawyers is out, that leaves us with guns and money. Ron and Bert's got guns... wonder what Traveler King's up to these days? I know he got bank.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:Ok, a plan is formulating in my head. Anyone else want to volunteer their skills and time and resources?

Whoa, hold up, dawg. No need to rush.

She ain't in immediate danger, or Ron woulda been keepin' more than an eye on things. I'll give a shout-out to Adama, see if he can reach Rhonda through their fence.

Celeste Darken wrote:Although if Willie offers his services, I might have to tag along.

I'm a city boy at heart, but I wouldn't miss this for the world.

Wel its not that I'm in a hurry its just that

1) This is going to require an incredible amount of Intelligence Gathering (not something I excel in)

2) I'd rather not wait til the 11th hour to pull off a daring rescue.

Word.

I hope Adama checks his PMs.

Well intel and investigation is well within my bag of tricks by both mundane if high tech means and psi means. So you understand when I said walking out the front gate with the girl in tow I didn't exactly talking about doing that in broad daylight. There were a few other questions and thoughts that ran throu my mind as well. First off this my be a foolish question but do they ever leave the compound for outtings going to stores to get items that they may need or want and if so is there a chance Rhonda could be on one of these outtings,I realize this thought is at best a shot in the dark but it never hurts to ask.Ok the second thought came to me from something Ron said about Rhonda being neither invisible or intangible, well what would you say if for a short time she could be I understand this may sound a tad out there but it is possible, again I'm not going to try and tell you that this is not without risk but it is an option I'd just have to barrow a item to pull it off.

Ok this may give us the opening we need, but as Ron said this will take planning, if this is done right nobody will get anything more serious than a bruise if that much one could hope.

I'm not sure what Voodoo you can do Shadow. But I figure the extraction itself can be broken down into three basic parts.

Getting Rhonda from Point A to Point B. Getting Rhonda from Point B to Point C. And getting everyone from Point C to D (a safe haven).

If Leg AB is up to Shadow (that's getting her from the Inside the Compound to Outside its boundary) and possibly Adama if he signs on and can be of use in that part.

The next Leg BC (getting her from the outside edge of compound to the main group) would be up to Ron. I figure he'd know the area better than any of us and he's allready proven that he can get himself free and clear.

The Final Leg CD will either be the easiest or the hardest. On one hand we'll have vehicles. On the other if they're still hot on our tails they'll be pulling out all the stops.

If you guys can handle AB and BC on your own I can do what I do best and make sure any pursuers are slowed to a crawl. Granted there was a squad of us that did it back in the Military but if Willie gives me a hand, with some time to work, I can make it a very hazardous thing to follow us and without doing anything too life threatening. Snares, Nets and Pits might break some bones but prolly won't kill anyone. If Ron can get me a suitably large supply of non-lethal weaponry we'll see how they like giving chase blinded and tear gassed.

I figure if we prepare the area we'd be traversing in BC we'll gain a tremendous lead on them for CD. Of course I'd have to be with you guys for BC so you don't blunder into anything too but that shouldn't be a problem.

Bert_the_Turtle wrote:I figure the extraction itself can be broken down into three basic parts.

Looks good, but I'd change the lineup for the second stage. At that point, we should bring in KT to assist. He can disguise himself as a native animal and ferry Rhonda out on his back. Shadow and Adama can work recon for him.

Ron Caliburn wrote:This has to be a 0 body count op if at all possible.

Count on it. I can run interference for KT from extraction point B to C.

The Final Leg CD will either be the easiest or the hardest. On one hand we'll have vehicles. On the other if they're still hot on our tails they'll be pulling out all the stops.

They won't be on our tails.

I knock out their foot patrols, you and Ron snipe any vehicles, Rhonda gets in Shadow's van or my posse's SUV, and that's that.

Lets just say that I have accses to a very interesting bag of tricks and leave it at that for the moment, right now I'm looking into getting my hands on that item I was talking about before. My team is ready to start setting up surveillance we just need a location and go ahead from Ron.

Well that's why I left AB open Ron. We need more information.

Willie, sabotaging their vehicles would be ideal but that's a pipe dream. We could shoot their rides out from under them, sure, but that's not really an option if we want to go for a 0 Body Count. If we know they'll be leaving from a designated area (like if the compound is 100% fenced in they'd need to leave through a gate) we could setup some surprises at the gate but other than that we're kinda stuck. I suppose I could have a guy I know whip up some extra large caltrops that'd shred their tires; make them from sharp tubing so they deflate the tires instead of blowing them to pieces.

Hey Ron, can you order Spike Strips?

As for anti-phasing defenses, I don't know of any offhand.

Unless they're remarkably well trained some flashbangs should run off the horses if they're chasing us on horseback.

Sneaking in should be our goal. Getting out I'm willing to go for a "All hell's broken loose" method if sneaking out is out of the question. Raise as big a stink as possible and try and confuse them while we get away. Like, simultaneously breach the fence in a dozen locations very noisily so they won't know which way we're leaving. If they send a hundred guys after us but have to split them 5 ways to track us down its not so much.

Well, I assumed they'd be trained not to react to gunfire but I'm guessing that blinding light wasn't covered.

Well, if some of us can Turn Invisible, Shapeshift into Animals, Phase out of sync with matter, etc. they can lose their persuers readily enough and cut back to the main group unobserved.

We're wandering afield here. What kind of response can we expect from one little girl wandering away from the compound? If she sneaks out of the compound alone, would they even notice?

It seems to me if the ghosts help her avoid patrols, she could make it all the way to the highway without being pursued; once there we pull over and pick her up. No muss, no fuss.

Ron Caliburn wrote:How would you like to deal with the horses?

KT might have some suggestions. There's another alternative, but you won't like it much: Celeste. She has a disruptive influence over animals, she's ninja quiet, and can soak up any conventional ammo they send our way.