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Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:47 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Okay, just popping in for a quick update here. I got off the island yesterday, finally. I managed to track down the miserable beggar who left me their and we had a little chat. Turns out someone paid him off to pull that little stunt, claimed they knew me and it was supposed to be part of some joke. He didn't know the man but gave me a pretty decent description.
Since then I've moved to a new location and been trying to track down the jokester and whoever tipped him off. Nobody really knew I was coming so someone I've met since getting here must be involved either directly or indirectly, not a very long list so I should have something soonish. Just had to cover my tracks and lay low for a bit, hopefully they've lost track of me.
Doc.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:49 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Happy hunting . . . keep us up to date.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:18 pm
by Cybermancer
Dr. Boggs,
As of May 26th, anyone with an internet connection could have known you'd be in the area. So be wary as it seems possible that the jokester in this case likely accesses this site.
Good luck.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:24 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Cybermancer wrote:Dr. Boggs,
As of May 26th, anyone with an internet connection could have known you'd be in the area. So be wary as it seems possible that the jokester in this case likely accesses this site.
Good luck.
Oh definitely, I'm aware of that. However I didn't provide any details on the boat I was hiring, which was the truly odd part.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:24 pm
by Cybermancer
Good, glad to hear that.
Starting with people you've had contact with is a good start I just wanted to make sure you realized that there were other ways you could have been tracked down.
Again, good luck.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:23 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Oh certainly, and I appreciate the input. In fact, if you have any suggestions on determining how they pulled this stunt off I would greatly appreciate it.
I'll admit to being a little concerned at this point, whoever it was knew where I was staying and the name I was traveling under as well. I found someone at the hotel I'd been staying at who'd also spoken to the man the day I arrived in Vancouver. I just started using the alias that day, so yeah, a bit worrisome.
Oh well, more leads to track down tomorrow.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:42 am
by Cybermancer
[Robyn]
Cybermancer requested that I follow up on this thread.
It has been some time since you last posted, Dr. Boggs. Are you alright? Do you require assistance?
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:32 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Sorry, yes, still here!
The locals found me again at the cabin I was staying at and harassed me all night. I've been playing tag with them ever since, nothing shakes the bastards for long but I did manage to dig up some leads. One way or another this'll all be over soon!.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:12 pm
by Cybermancer
[Robyn]
Please do keep us updated.
Harrassed? Playing tag? I'm afraid I don't quite understand what's going on. If you've gotten leads while trying to lose these locals, then that would seem to be good. Though if you're always trying to lose them, I can only assume that you are rarely 'it'. Is that not the point of the game of tag? To not be it? In any case, I do hope you win your game.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:37 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Ah, yes, sorry about that. I tend towards sarcasm when I'm a bit stressed, or even when not. The 'harassment' was leaving a haunter waiting for me in my cabin, a cabin I'd never seen before I set foot in it and paid cash for. It wasn't a fun night.
So obviously whoever's behind what's going on out here has a way of tracking me down, even predicting where I'm heading before I even know. It's not perfect since I've managed to lose them for a day or two, but it never lasts. Last time they fired a couple rounds of buckshot into my bed, which I thankfully wasn't in. I left a dummy there dressed in some of my clothes and a decoy spell.
So the good news is this, I've learned there's a group here with access to some form of oracle and I think I've figured out the area they all live in.
Bad news is it's a big area and they're playing for keeps now. Upside of that being they have to reveal themselves to come after me, so we'll see how that goes.
Better split, I'll be in touch.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:02 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Any clues as to the source of the feet?
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:43 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Afternoon all.
I managed to get access to the latest foot today; best not discuss the details; and although it won't stand up in court I think I found out who it belonged to. A local up and coming financier, between his clean record and the condition of the foot there was just no way to match the foot to him and close his missing person's file. There are a LOT of open missing person's cases out here but a little snooping turned up a half dozen others that all fit the same profile going back six years, it's pretty disturbing.
They're on to me, gotta move again.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:04 pm
by Eilonwy Solstice
What? Who? Who’s after you, Doctor? I—
Just be careful; please.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:04 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Never fear Ms Solstice, caution is my middle name!
I don't have a solid answer for the 'who' beyond very bad people. I'm not sure how many there are but they've got mystic resources and are willing to kill if pressed. The fact they work so hard to cover their trail and tried to scare me away initially tells me they want to avoid attention, which I hope means there aren't many of them....
ah hell my talisman just gave out, that can't be good. I'll be in touch soonest.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:24 pm
by Cybermancer
[Robyn]
Any progress, Doctor Boggs? Have you gotten any further information? Is your talisman working properly again? Do these very bad people have a leader? An agenda?
Do you require assistance?
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:47 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Good evening Robyn, thanks for looking in again. I seem to have found a safe locale for the time being and I've been resting up a bit, trying to get my bearings. Once I get my head straight, two weeks without much decent sleep is a killer, I'm gonna go over everything I've found again.
I get the feeling I've been missing something but that could just be my imagination.
I do have one quick update though, I spotted some of the folks who've been bothering me yesterday. It was from a distance and I didn't get a good look at their car but there were two of them, a man and a woman. Other than hassling me for a living they looked pretty normal.
If I do need some backup though I'll be in touch, thanks for the offer.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:07 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Hey Doc,
head's up!Fifth severed foot found on Canadian coast wrote:A severed human foot was found washed up on an island on the western coast of Canada this week, the fifth detached foot found in the area in the past 11 months, according to local police and media reports.
The foot was found Monday on the shore of Westham Island south of Vancouver, according to Constable Sharlene Brooks of the Delta Police Department in British Columbia.
The severed left foot, which was in a shoe, was taken to a coroner for DNA tests, she added.
The foot was one of five found in area recently, she said.
"Our first step is to establish identity," Brooks said. "It is a little mysterious, but we don't know if it is linked to others."
According to the Vancouver Sun newspaper, the other four feet found in the area since August were right feet. See where the feet are turning up »
The gruesome discoveries have garnered a lot of attention, Brooks said. But it may be some time before police determine why so many severed feet have been found.
"We suffer from the CSI effect -- people think this can happen very quickly," she said. "It could take weeks or months. And even if we get a DNA sample, we need a sample to match it with."
The mystery has caused a stir and given birth to many rumors, locals say. One newspaper has began investigating a rash of young men who have gone missing in the area.
Some have wondered if the feet could belong to a group of men who were in a plane that recently crashed in the waterway where the feet were found.
"But there has also been rumors about gangs and stuff," said Diane Selkirk, a freelance writer who lives near where one of the feet was found.
"At first, the talk about it was really humorous. But as more feet turned up, the talk became sinister," she said. "These are pristine islands, not the place where you would expect to find a bunch of severed feet."
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:48 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Damn, not another one.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:57 pm
by Ron Caliburn
This one was a left though, so perhaps it matches one of the previous samples.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:58 pm
by Doctor Boggs
That's... a possibility. I certainly hope it's the case, either way thanks for the update.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:49 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Hey Boggs,
The other shoe just dropped, and it's another right.Sixth severed foot surfaces off Canadian coast wrote:CNN) -- A severed foot -- the sixth in 11 months -- washed up on the shore of a Canadian island on Wednesday, police said.
The right foot was found by a local woman walking on the beach, said Sgt. Mike Tresoor of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the town of Campbell River on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
"A local citizen walking on a beach in Tyee Spit located what appears to be human remains of a right foot in an approximate size 10 black Adidas running shoe," police said in a written statement.
The foot will be examined by a forensic pathologist and DNA testing will be requested, said the statement, posted on the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Web site.
Sandra Malone, manager of the Thunderbird RV Park and Campground on the spit, said a woman came in about 10:30 a.m. and asked her to call police, saying she had found the shoe with the foot inside it.
While waiting for police, Malone told CNN she walked down to the beach with the woman and saw it for herself.
"You could see the foot that's inside the running shoe," she said. "The leg bones were coming out of the running shoe about 3 to 4 inches. There were no tissues or anything attached."
She said seaweed was wrapped around the top of the running shoe, making it hard to tell whether any tissue was inside the shoe. "I got close enough," she said.
But she said the foot appeared to have been deliberately severed, as the bones "had been cut clean across."
The foot was the sixth discovered on shorelines in the area since August, according to local police and media reports. Another foot -- a severed left foot still in a shoe -- was found Monday on the shore of Westham Island, south of Vancouver. Police said it was taken to a coroner for DNA testing.
"Our first step is to establish identity," said Constable Sharlene Brooks of the Delta Police Department in British Columbia. "It is a little mysterious, but we don't know if it is linked to others."
The Vancouver Sun newspaper said the first four feet found in the area were all right feet, making the foot found Monday the only left foot.
Although the gruesome finds have drawn international attention, police said it may take some time to unravel the mystery.
"We suffer from the CSI effect -- people think this can happen very quickly," Brooks said. " It could take weeks or months. And even if we get a DNA sample, we need a sample to match it with."
The mystery has caused a stir and led to many rumors, locals say. One newspaper has began investigating a rash of young men who have gone missing in the area.
Some have wondered if the feet could belong to five men who were in a plane that crashed three years ago in the waterway where the feet were found.
Some of those men's relatives were at the Campbell River site on Wednesday.
"It's a constant reminder every time, from the time the first foot washed up," said Kirsten Stevens, whose husband, Dave, died in the crash. Although her husband's body was located, Stevens said the other men's relatives still are awaiting answers. They never recovered their loved ones' remains.
"It reopens the wound, every single time," she said.
"If it's not us, it's somebody else's loved one, that they don't know. ... We'd like to know," Sally Feast, sister of pilot Arnold Feast. "We'd like to put something to rest."
Diane Selkirk, a freelance writer who lives near where one foot was found, said the discoveries have been a hot topic of conversation.
"At first the talk about it was really humorous but as more feet turned up the talk became sinister," she added. "These are pristine islands, not the place where you would expect to find a bunch of severed feet."
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:16 am
by Doctor Boggs
Damn, it's becoming an epidemic!
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:07 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Apparently the 6th was a fake. Animal foot and seaweed in an athletic shoe.
Do they think it’s a sick joke . . .?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:45 am
by Eilonwy Solstice
Do they think it’s a sick joke or something to pull a prank like that?
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:45 am
by Ron Caliburn
Got some updates on wha the media is saying:
Police say two of five feet washed up on B.C. shores belonged to same person wrote:VANCOUVER - Part of the mystery surrounding five disembodied feet that have washed up on the shores of British Columbia has been solved, but investigators still haven't connected the remains to any missing people.
Investigators said Thursday that DNA testing has determined two of the five feet belonged to one man, another foot is from a female and the remaining two right feet are from males.
They say they're reviewing almost 300 missing persons files and haven't yet been able to match the DNA from the feet to any missing people.
B.C. coroner Jeff Dolan said there was no evidence the feet were severed.
"In all cases, these remains appear to have naturally separated, or disarticulated, from the body," he said. "There are no tool marks or trauma on any of these remains."
A team of investigators has been working on the bizarre case since the first foot washed up last August on Jedidiah Island in the Strait of Georgia.
But RCMP Const. Annie Linteau said because investigators don't know who these people are, they can't say how they died.
"We have to be aware that these could be homicide victims," she told a crush of media.
Police said a foot found on Valdez Island Feb. 8 and another foot found June 16 on Westham Island, more than 40 kilometres away and across the strait, belong to the same man.
Last Aug. 26, a right foot was found inside a man's size 12 Reebok sneaker on Gabriola Island, in the strait.
And another foot laced inside a New Balance runner, and the only one belonging to a woman, was found May 22 on Kirkland Island in the Fraser River.
A sixth discovery last month turned out to be a hoax, with an animal paw stuffed inside a shoe, but that didn't deter public interest in the case.
The disembodied feet have been the subject of watercooler speculation and wild conspiracy theories.
Linteau said police aren't ruling anything out but they have no reason to believe the incidents are related in any way.
"Until all of those remains have been identified we are going to explore all possibilities," Linteau said.
Investigators, who include RCMP and Delta police officers and the coroner's office, released details of the size, brand and production date of each shoe.
Pictures of the shoes were displayed at the news conference in hope someone might recognize a running shoe belonging to a missing loved one.
Investigators have reviewed all missing persons cases in B.C. and some in Alberta in an effort to identify the victims but Dean Hillderbrand, a forensic scientist working on the case, said DNA alone provides limited information.
The testing confirms the sex but not the race, age or the date of death.
"These were obviously very challenging samples. Being in water is the worst-case scenario," Hillderbrand said.
He said the DNA samples are yielding useful information but "the DNA doesn't give any information about how long these samples have been in the water."
Family members of five men who died in a float plane crash near Campbell River three years ago were hoping for a DNA match for brothers Doug and Trever DeCock.
Only one of the five bodies was recovered and the wreckage was never found.
Two of the men who disappeared with the plane have been ruled out, but Linteau said investigators are still working on a possible DNA connection to the brothers.
Pathologist Dr. John Butt said shortly after the fifth foot was found that the reason the feet were discovered at all is because they were tightly laced in buoyant running shoes.
He said feet would simply be separated from the body by the forces of the ocean current as the bodies decomposed and the shoe, along with the foot, would float to the surface.
Linteau said Thursday police are consulting with forensic anthropologists, oceanographers and a forensic entomologist to help in the investigation.
"We have received many tips from the public," she said. "Many of those tips include theories as to the origin of the recovered feet."
Speaking of feet on the beach, apparently this is becoming an international issue.
Severed foot found in Sweden, 'too early' to say about links to B.C. finds wrote:A man's shoe containing a human foot was found Tuesday on the seashore in southern Sweden but local authorities say it's too soon to say if there's any link to the five severed feet found along the southern B.C. coast since August 2007.
Police in the Swedish resort town of Halmstad, about 500 kilometres southwest of Stockholm, said lifeguards spotted a shoe bobbing upside down in the surf a day earlier and decided to turn it over with a stick on Tuesday afternoon.
"They had seen the shoe yesterday, sploshing around at the water's edge," said Joakim Sjolander, spokesman for regional police.
The foot has been sent to a local laboratory for forensic tests. DNA samples are to be compared to genetic records from people who have gone missing in the area, said Sjölander
"We do not currently suspect a crime has been committed," he added.
He added that it was "far too early" to talk of a link between the foot in Halmstad and five feet that floated ashore on Canada's Pacific coast.
The first two feet washed up last August on B.C.'s Gabriola and Jedediah islands in the Strait of Georgia. The third foot was found in February on nearby Valdes Island, the fourth in late May on Kirkland Island in the mouth of the Fraser River and the fifth foot in June on Westham Island, also in the Fraser River.
A sixth appendage found near Campbell River, B.C., in June was found to be an animal's foot, apparently stuffed into a shoe by pranksters.
Investigators say they have not yet determined where the feet might have come from, nor have they been linked to any missing people in B.C.
Theories on the origin of the floating feet range from remnants of decomposed bodies of people who've fallen off ships to parts of victims of the 2004 tsunami borne on Pacific currents to Canada's coasts, a serial killer or killers who dump their prey at sea and bored or mischievous people with access to cadaver parts running an elaborate hoax.
So that's the public information going 'round about now.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:31 pm
by Ron Caliburn
More news.Severed foot found on B.C. coast linked to depressed missing man: RCMP wrote:VANCOUVER - RCMP have linked a severed foot found off the coast of B.C. to a depressed man who went missing a year ago.
Five feet have washed up in the Georgia Strait in the last year, each encased in a running shoe.
Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre said the foot in question was linked to the man through DNA testing.
"The major crime investigators were able to notify a family that one of the found feet was a match with their familial DNA," he said.
He said the man is not being identified at the family's request.
"We're being very sensitive to the family's demands," he said, adding further information will be released on Monday.
"They wanted the time to reach out to their immediate family and share the news among themselves."
Lemaitre added that DNA testing has ruled out that any of the feet came from brothers Doug and Trever DeCock, who died in a float plane crash near Campbell River three years ago.
Only one of the five bodies from that wreck was recovered and the wreckage was never found.
Two of the men who disappeared with the plane have been ruled out, police have said.
Lemaitre also said the family of a fisherman who fell overboard in the Strait of Georgia some time ago has also been notified none of the feet came from their family member.
"Based on their DNA, the feet do not match that individual," he said.
Lemaitre would not comment on reports that a U.S. coroner in Washington State's San Juan Islands had found a footless body in his care.
San Juan County coroner Randy Gaylord said a hiker found the remains of an as-yet unidentified man on Orcas Island in Puget Sound in March 2007.
"We have a skeleton except for the right arm, the left hand, and both feet," Gaylord told The Canadian Press on Saturday. "Also, we're missing a few ribs and a (lower jaw bone)."
He said tissue samples were sent to the FBI in an attempt to identify the man. Inquiries were also made with other American as well as Canadian authorities, he said.
It was last week that Gaylord said he received a call from the B.C. Coroner's Office to see if there might be a connection between the Canadian feet and the American remains.
He said U.S. officials are hoping the man's dental work might be recognized by relatives. The molars had a number of gold-inlay fillings.
"We received several inquiries but no matches so it became a cold case," he said.
Foul play is not suspected in the American find.
"We believe that the feet became separated in a natural way as part of the decomposition process," Gaylord said. "We can't be sure if these remains are connected to the feet until we do additional testing."
A team of Canadian investigators has been working on the bizarre case since the first foot washed up last August on Jedidiah Island in the Strait of Georgia.
Two weeks ago, police said a foot found on Valdez Island on Feb. 8 and another foot found June 16 on Westham Island, more than 40 kilometres away and across the strait, belong to the same man.
Last Aug. 26, a right foot was found inside a man's size 12 Reebok sneaker on Gabriola Island, in the strait.
And another foot laced inside a New Balance runner, and the only one belonging to a woman, was found May 22 on Kirkland Island in the Fraser River.
Investigators said on July 10 that DNA testing has determined two of the five feet belonged to one man, another foot is from a female and the remaining two right feet are from males.
A sixth discovery last month turned out to be a hoax, with an animal paw stuffed inside a shoe, but that didn't deter public interest in the case.
The disembodied feet have been the subject of watercooler speculation and wild conspiracy theories.
Pathologist Dr. John Butt said shortly after the fifth foot was found that the reason the feet were discovered at all is because they were tightly laced in buoyant running shoes.
He said feet would simply be separated from the body by the forces of the ocean current as the bodies decomposed and the shoe, along with the foot, would float to the surface.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:02 pm
by DarKnyht
I thought I had read somewhere that the place they keep showing up is named after the fact a leg in a boot washed up on shore once.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:56 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Another one - this time a bit further south.
Possible severed foot found on Washington coast wrote:What appears to be another sneaker-clad human foot has washed ashore in waters near British Columbia, this time in Washington state, U.S. newspapers report.
State authorities say they are in contact with the RCMP to see whether there might be a connection with five feet found in shoes on British Columbia beaches in the past year.
Clallam County Undersheriff Ron Peregrin said the shoe, found Friday on a beach about 50 kilometres west of Port Angeles on the Strait of Juan de Fuca, is similar to three of those found in Canada: The remains appear to be from a human right foot and were inside a man's low-cut athletic shoe, possibly used for hiking.
"But this is a considerable distance to where the others were found in Canadian waters," he told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "And one that was found was a hoax, so we want to be certain."
Five athletic shoes containing human feet have been found along the Strait of Georgia between Vancouver Island and the British Columbia mainland since August 2007. The Strait of Juan de Fuca separates Vancouver Island and Washington's Olympic Peninsula.
The RCMP announced last month that none of the feet had been forcibly severed. Police discovered that two of the feet belonged to the same man, and determined a sixth shoe found in June in B.C. was a hoax: an animal paw that had been shoved inside an athletic shoe.
Det.-Sgt. Lyman Moores told the Seattle Times the shoe probably belonged to a man, but he couldn't identify the brand or size.
"What it was is ... a sock inside the shoe that appeared to contain decomposed flesh," he said. "We don't know at this point whether that's animal, whether it's human, or what it is."
Tests should determine by the end of the week whether bones and flesh in this shoe are human, Moores told the Times.
Results of a DNA profile will take six to eight weeks, Peregrin told the Post-Intelligencer.
Authorities said a woman walking along Jim Creek found the foot Friday and reported it to the Clallam County Sheriff's Office early Saturday.
"She could see sand in the shoe and when she removed the sock, she could tell there were bones and probably decomposing flesh," Peregrin said of the woman, who found the shoe in seaweed near milepost 34 on state Route 112.
Clallam County Sheriff's deputies began working with the RCMP on Saturday. Local authorities were hesitant to speculate on whether there is a link between the cases.
"But those similarities you can't ignore," Peregrin said. "We want to make sure our investigation is co-ordinated."
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:39 pm
by Doctor Boggs
Damn but that's freaky, I hope the locals can put a stop to this.
Re: Strange Severed Feet Found in Canada
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:44 pm
by Ron Caliburn
Just in case you'd forgotten about this
Eighth severed foot washes up on Canada's Pacific coast wrote:VANCOUVER, Canada (AFP) - Another severed foot inside a dirty athletic shoe has washed up on Canada's Pacific shore, following seven similar gruesome discoveries since August 2007, police said Thursday.
The foot in a white Nike running shoe, size 8.5, was discovered Tuesday by two men walking on a beach in a suburb of Vancouver, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a statement.
The British Columbia coroners office is conducting a forensic autopsy and other tests to try to match it to missing persons, police said.
Seven feet were previously found along the rugged coast of British Columbia province and the neighboring US state of Washington, including one later determined to have belonged to a missing man who was depressed.
DNA testing has not yet determined the identities of the others, said police.
Scientists say the feet could have drifted dozens or thousands of kilometers (miles) because human body parts can remain intact in water for years when protected by shoes or sturdy clothing.
"There has been no evidence to date to support foul play in relation to these discoveries and it appears that all remains separated from the body, disarticulated, through a natural process," police said.