Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:05 pm
Oh, we're talking about not You now.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:10 pm
Yeah, Not Me.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:26 pm
It's not like I meant to create him.
He's not really what I think of Pa, honest, neither of them.
I used ta dream about the end of the world a lot when I was litle, and there was my Pa . . . sometimes my real Pa, sometimes the one I thought was my Pa . . . standing there, fighting off the government agents, liberals, abortionists, homosexuals and other servants of the Devil.
Sometimes he was kinda both . . . the Pa I thought was my brother who played with me when I was little, sometimes the one I thought was Pa but was my Gramps who usta tan my bottom when I was bad.
It was all so confusing and scary.
I'm sorry I ever let him get out . . . I'm sorry for all the hurt he's done.
I know my apologies can never make up for it, so I understand if any of y'all hate me for dreamin' him up.
I know it's unforgivable.
Hannah
PS: I wish I could stop him.
He's not really what I think of Pa, honest, neither of them.
I used ta dream about the end of the world a lot when I was litle, and there was my Pa . . . sometimes my real Pa, sometimes the one I thought was my Pa . . . standing there, fighting off the government agents, liberals, abortionists, homosexuals and other servants of the Devil.
Sometimes he was kinda both . . . the Pa I thought was my brother who played with me when I was little, sometimes the one I thought was Pa but was my Gramps who usta tan my bottom when I was bad.
It was all so confusing and scary.
I'm sorry I ever let him get out . . . I'm sorry for all the hurt he's done.
I know my apologies can never make up for it, so I understand if any of y'all hate me for dreamin' him up.
I know it's unforgivable.
Hannah
PS: I wish I could stop him.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:09 pm
No one else is blaming you. You should not blame yourself either.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:11 pm
She doesn't seem to want to listen to that argument on this, no matter how many times I've told it to her.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:14 pm
Hannah, just because some...thing used you to get into this world, doesn't mean you should blame yourself. No child, no matter how powerful (and you are powerful, let no one tell you different), could have contained a Living Nightmare. It was determined to free itself, and it chose you because children are easier to manipulate, especially in their dreams. You need to stop blaming yourself.
Blame the Nightmare instead. It manipulated and used you. When your old enough, and if you so choose, hunt it down and destroy it. I fear that is the only way it can permanently be killed.
Blame the Nightmare instead. It manipulated and used you. When your old enough, and if you so choose, hunt it down and destroy it. I fear that is the only way it can permanently be killed.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:56 pm
She isn't going to be living this life. Not after all the effort we went to to give her the shot at something normal.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:12 pm
It came from Hannah. But she did not create it. That means anyone can destroy it.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:36 pm
We just need a success in that.
So far he's been 'destroyed' several times.
So far he's been 'destroyed' several times.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:40 pm
Yea but I mean what I say... destroyed.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:18 pm
Sure, she might not have created Not Ron, but she did help, no matter how unwilling, to bring it into this world. There's a connection between her and the Nightmare, one that I have tried to explain to you. Much like the connection between mother and child, and yes that is the best analogy for this situation.
And Ron, be realistic. Once you have entered this world, there is no going back. Hannah may never be a hunter or the like, but she will be a part of this world.
And Ron, be realistic. Once you have entered this world, there is no going back. Hannah may never be a hunter or the like, but she will be a part of this world.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:24 pm
I don't need it explained to me. I get it.
Help requires that you are willing. If you're not willing, then you're not helping.
Hannah is no more responsible for this than I am for the sunshine.
Help requires that you are willing. If you're not willing, then you're not helping.
Hannah is no more responsible for this than I am for the sunshine.
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:10 pm
I'd rather not think of Hannah's relationshp to this thing as any sort of maternal one if I can avoid it.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:01 pm
Yeah, sorry. I fished for another analogy, but that one just seemed the best.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:06 pm
Kolya wrote:Help requires that you are willing. If you're not willing, then you're not helping.
She was USED, which helped Not Ron get out. Helping something happen does NOT always require the willingness of the person involved. If Hannah actually had any say in the matter, Not Ron wouldn't be around right now, now would he?
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:48 pm
Hi Everyone,
I did have a say in that nightmare gettin' out. I had that nightmare in my head fer years. I created it . . . though it wasn't always a nightmare. He was there ta protect me at first . . . but like both of my Pa's he has a temper and he gets really scary when he's angry.
My other Pa useta get angry at me a lot. If I didn't do what he said he'd take his belt ta me. If I didn't do my chores he'd lock me in the closet for a day. If I talked back he'd deck me. When he was drunk he wouldn't even wait fer me ta do somethin' wrong.
So insteada just protectin' me, he was there ta punish me everytime I did wrong, even if I only thought it.
When Shadow tried ta rescue me, everythin' went wrong.
I felt him tyin' ta get out. I tried ta hold him in, but I felt like I was drownin' I got scared and I let him out so I could breathe.
If I was braver, I coulda held out a little bit longer and he wouldn't haev gotten out.
So I created him and I let him out. Everything he does is my fault.
Hannah
PS: I know y'all want ta hate me fer it, it's okay, I hate me fer it too.
I did have a say in that nightmare gettin' out. I had that nightmare in my head fer years. I created it . . . though it wasn't always a nightmare. He was there ta protect me at first . . . but like both of my Pa's he has a temper and he gets really scary when he's angry.
My other Pa useta get angry at me a lot. If I didn't do what he said he'd take his belt ta me. If I didn't do my chores he'd lock me in the closet for a day. If I talked back he'd deck me. When he was drunk he wouldn't even wait fer me ta do somethin' wrong.
So insteada just protectin' me, he was there ta punish me everytime I did wrong, even if I only thought it.
When Shadow tried ta rescue me, everythin' went wrong.
I felt him tyin' ta get out. I tried ta hold him in, but I felt like I was drownin' I got scared and I let him out so I could breathe.
If I was braver, I coulda held out a little bit longer and he wouldn't haev gotten out.
So I created him and I let him out. Everything he does is my fault.
Hannah
PS: I know y'all want ta hate me fer it, it's okay, I hate me fer it too.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:09 pm
Why does she always get into these things when I'm not home to talk to her?
Regardless of my duplicate's origins, his deeds are his fault and he will pay for them . . . even if it takes me a lifetime to find a way to make it happen.
Regardless of my duplicate's origins, his deeds are his fault and he will pay for them . . . even if it takes me a lifetime to find a way to make it happen.
Then you must have been fishing in a shotglass . . .
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:47 pm
GhostSpider wrote:I fished for another analogy, but that one just seemed the best.
Then you must have been fishing in a shotglass, Spider. How about Hannah being in a tight alley with a rabid pit bull barreling past to get through? What about a bully armed with brass knuckles and a serrated knife, while Hannah was unarmed?
Konrad, if you think Hannah was responsible, you’re even blinder than I am. Your thesis doesn’t hold water. But if you want to keep with it, fine; if that’s the case, and you have much to answer for.
Maybe it would be better if I let Ron put a bullet through that thick skull of yours. Hannah does not need that pathetic analogy. And if you dare mention it again, I will gladly give Ron my permission to hunt you down, Spider and let you choke on his saiga.
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:54 pm
I...
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There's a lot I want to say here, but right now, I don't feel...qualified to pass judgments. Under no circumstances, however, do I see Hannah being to blame for anything.
I'm still...struggling to adjust to what I believe, right now. I'm still trying to figure out what I believe right now. A large part of me wants to dismiss all of this as hallucination, and I know that's not the kind of thing you guys want to hear.
I just...I at least wanted to say that Hannah hasn't done anything wrong, that I can tell, and I didn't think so when I believed in this stuff, either. Everything else...I'll reserve all comment on until I know my own head's on in some direction closely resembling "right".
...
There's a lot I want to say here, but right now, I don't feel...qualified to pass judgments. Under no circumstances, however, do I see Hannah being to blame for anything.
I'm still...struggling to adjust to what I believe, right now. I'm still trying to figure out what I believe right now. A large part of me wants to dismiss all of this as hallucination, and I know that's not the kind of thing you guys want to hear.
I just...I at least wanted to say that Hannah hasn't done anything wrong, that I can tell, and I didn't think so when I believed in this stuff, either. Everything else...I'll reserve all comment on until I know my own head's on in some direction closely resembling "right".
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:37 am
I didn't expect that much hostility from you, EI! I mean, I know you're really close to Hannah and Ron, but no one's SERIOUSLY thinking that Hannah wanted this to happen any more than anyone else wanted it to. And if they are, well, yeah, go ahead and smack them.Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:23 pm
Stop it all of you!!!
I've known this thing was inside of me fer years, there ain't no way it came from somewhere else.
I was the one who let it out, I was the one who created it.
I know this, I didn't need ta be told it again by someone.
So y'all can quit fightin' about this.
Hannah
PS: Wie, you're soundin' as bad as Pa.
I've known this thing was inside of me fer years, there ain't no way it came from somewhere else.
I was the one who let it out, I was the one who created it.
I know this, I didn't need ta be told it again by someone.
So y'all can quit fightin' about this.
Hannah
PS: Wie, you're soundin' as bad as Pa.
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:21 pm
Hannah yes the Nightmare came form you. But no one here holds you as responsable, fact is that I feel I am responsable for it's release.
I saw it when it was still only a part of your dreams, I didn't allow myself to think that it could become the problem that it did. I gave it the means to get out, and while I was there at the time of its escape, I also allowed it to escape.
Don't blame yourself Hannah, you are not at fault here. There are others that are at fault, but not you.
I saw it when it was still only a part of your dreams, I didn't allow myself to think that it could become the problem that it did. I gave it the means to get out, and while I was there at the time of its escape, I also allowed it to escape.
Don't blame yourself Hannah, you are not at fault here. There are others that are at fault, but not you.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:46 am
Listen, regardless of whether this thing really does exist or is somehow a shared hallucination, y'all are being drama whores. The only one to blame for the actions of an individual is the individual itself. It doesn't matter if that individual had reasons, it doesn't matter if the individual was there because of the actions of someone else. It seems to me that if this thing is real and out there, y'all need to stop playing the blame game (including blaming yourselves) and go out there and deal with it.
All I'm hearing right now is the same damned variation on the argument in politics, wherein people blame Clinton for 9/11. "Clinton could've killed bin Ladin when he had the chance, but he didn't!" Point of fact: taking out the leader of an organization does not always stop the organization. Point of fact: the attack happened NINE MONTHS into the Bush administration, and over that period of time, Bush REDUCED the amount of international security measures that had been laid down before his reign. Point of fact: both the CIA and the FBI left him reports regarding the attack. When examining the facts, it becomes obvious that it's useless to blame Clinton for failing to take out bin Ladin; it's Bush that practically invited him in.
I see the same sort of mentality going into practice here. Examine the facts, realize that neither Hannah nor Shadow are not to blame for what's going on, move on with your lives, and deal with the actual source of the problem.
All I'm hearing right now is the same damned variation on the argument in politics, wherein people blame Clinton for 9/11. "Clinton could've killed bin Ladin when he had the chance, but he didn't!" Point of fact: taking out the leader of an organization does not always stop the organization. Point of fact: the attack happened NINE MONTHS into the Bush administration, and over that period of time, Bush REDUCED the amount of international security measures that had been laid down before his reign. Point of fact: both the CIA and the FBI left him reports regarding the attack. When examining the facts, it becomes obvious that it's useless to blame Clinton for failing to take out bin Ladin; it's Bush that practically invited him in.
I see the same sort of mentality going into practice here. Examine the facts, realize that neither Hannah nor Shadow are not to blame for what's going on, move on with your lives, and deal with the actual source of the problem.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:24 pm
Okay, at what point did I specifically blame Hannah for letting out Not Ron. I said she was an unwilling participant, but when did I blame her. 
I understand the response, even applaud it, but you are blinding yourselves if you don't acknowledge the connection between Hannah and Not Ron. I am simply trying to do the same thing Ron has been trying to do to me, realize that there may be only one way that Not Ron can truly be destroyed.
I understand the response, even applaud it, but you are blinding yourselves if you don't acknowledge the connection between Hannah and Not Ron. I am simply trying to do the same thing Ron has been trying to do to me, realize that there may be only one way that Not Ron can truly be destroyed.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:29 pm
Hi Shadow,
If I hadn't let him out none of it would have happened. 'sides there was a lot of other stuff happenin' then that ya had ta deal with.
Hannah
PS: I don't think you're accusing me of anythin' GS, it's a fact anyway.
If I hadn't let him out none of it would have happened. 'sides there was a lot of other stuff happenin' then that ya had ta deal with.
Hannah
PS: I don't think you're accusing me of anythin' GS, it's a fact anyway.
I would just like to apologize . . .
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:52 pm
I would just like to apologize to everyone . . . especially Konrad and Hannah. I’ve been putting in longer hours at work, than I probably should, trying to get everything ready for a trip, and not meditating when I should. Your analogy hurt her deeply, Konrad, and when I heard Hannah’s . . . reaction to your message, I was both tired and in serious need of a nap.
I did neither and instead lambasted you, and for that, I am sorry.
I’m sorry Hannah that I can’t help you as I know I should.
I did neither and instead lambasted you, and for that, I am sorry.
I’m sorry Hannah that I can’t help you as I know I should.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:26 pm
Ei: We get it. You don't need to apologize to anyone.
Shan and Hannah: With all due respect- KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF!!! All of us know what happened, and we know how it happened. But that's the past, and ain't nobody gonna change that old story. (NO, Shad, not even you!) get over the fact that it happened, and try focusing on how to get rid of him NOW.
Shan and Hannah: With all due respect- KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF!!! All of us know what happened, and we know how it happened. But that's the past, and ain't nobody gonna change that old story. (NO, Shad, not even you!) get over the fact that it happened, and try focusing on how to get rid of him NOW.
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:39 pm
Trust me doing something to help get rid of the Fake Ron has been something I have been looking into from the time he first appeared.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:48 pm
Honestly Ellie, your reaction amused me more than anything. Still, apology accepted.
I'm sorry that I upset Hannah.
I'm sorry that I upset Hannah.
Thank you . . .
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:01 pm
Thank you.