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One-third of Americans believe in ghosts and UFOs: poll wrote:Thu Oct 25, 10:40 PM

By The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - It was bad enough when the TV and lights inexplicably flicked on at night, Misty Conrad says.

When her daughter began talking to an unseen girl named Nicole and neighbours said children had been murdered in the house, it was time to move.

Put Conrad, a homemaker is firmly in the camp of the 34 per cent of Americans who say they believe in ghosts in a pre-Halloween poll by The Associated Press and Ipsos. That is the same proportion who believe in unidentified flying objects - exceeding the 19 per cent who accept the existence of spells or witchcraft.

Forty-eight per cent believe in extrasensory perception, or ESP.

To put the roughly one-third who believe in ghosts and UFOs in perspective, it is about the same as, in recent AP-Ipsos polls, the 36 per cent who said they are baseball fans; the 37 per cent who said the United States made the right decision to invade Iraq and the 31 per cent who approve of the job President George W.Bush is doing.

A smaller but still substantial 23 per cent say they have actually seen a ghost or believe they have been in one's presence, with the most likely candidates for such visits including single people, Roman Catholics and those who never attend religious services. By 31 per cent to 18 per cent, more liberals than conservatives report seeing a spectre.

Those who dismissed the existence of ghosts include Morris Swadener, 66, a U.S. navy retiree.

He says he shot one with his rifle when he was a child.

"I woke up in the middle of the night and saw a white ghost in my closet," he said.

"I discovered I'd put a hole in my brand new white shirt. My mother and father were not amused."

Three in 10 have awakened sensing a strange presence in the room. For whatever it says about matrimony, singles are more likely than married people to say so.

Fourteen per cent - mostly men and lower-income people - say they have seen a UFO. Among them is Danny Eskanos, 44, a lawyer who says as a teenager he watched a bright light dart across the sky, making abrupt stops and turns.

"I knew a little about airplanes and helicopters and it was not that," he said.

"It's one of those things that sticks in your mind."

Spells and witchcraft are more readily believed by urban dwellers, minorities and lower-earning people. Those who find credibility in ESP are more likely to be better educated and white - 51 per cent of college graduates compared with 37 per cent with a high school diploma or less, about the same proportion by which white believers outnumber minorities.

Overall, the 48 per cent who accept ESP is less than the 66 per cent who gave that answer to a similar 1996 Newsweek magazine question.

One in five say they are at least somewhat superstitious, with young men, minorities and the less educated more likely to go out of their way to seek luck. Twenty-six per cent of urban residents - twice the rate of those from rural areas - said they are superstitious, while single men were more superstitious than unmarried women, 31 per cent to 17 per cent.

The most admitted-to superstition, by 17 per cent, was finding a four-leaf clover. Thirteen per cent dread walking under a ladder or the groom seeing his bride before their wedding, while slightly smaller numbers named black cats, breaking mirrors, opening umbrellas indoors, Friday the 13th or the number 13.

The poll, conducted Oct. 16-18, involved telephone interviews with 1,013 adults and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.


There are a signifigant portion of people out there who believe in this stuff . . . but only in a general sense. We need to push the belief fraction much closer to 100% and we need to start getting the practical details out to more and more people. Otherwise, when the time comes, we're going to be defenceless.
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:roll: :roll:

People don't want to know, and they won't listen until demons are marching down their street. It's time to start accepting that fact. People want to be ignorant on this; for them it is bliss.
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I don't care if they don't want to know. They need to know.
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Humanity won't listen until they want to listen. Whether they need to or not.
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So we make 'em want to listen.
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Post by KonThaak »

Hey, Ghost... You've been repeating this rather cynical ideal quite a bit, lately...to the point of sounding almost like a broken record. While I agree with the sentiment to an extent, your overinsistence on beating that ideal into us through the boards leaves me wondering... Did something happen?
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Post by concrete_Angel »

Yeah, he apparently just gave up.
You traded in your wings
For everything freedom brings
You never left me
You never let me
See what this feeling means

Everything that you feel
Is everything that I feel
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We shout....
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Post by Oni-uindo »

Okay, so do we start a bake sale or something to get the demons to come and help spread the word of the supernatural?
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Post by GhostSpider »

When you have the memories of an AI bouncing around in your head, it gives you a more far-reaching perspective on the subject.
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Post by concrete_Angel »

Funny, that doesn't really sound like a "far-reaching perspective", it just sounds like defeatist bull.
Trust me, if you're giving up that easily on others, then eventually you'll just give up on everything.
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Post by Gabriel »

Little bug, did we forget? Lazlo is primarily comprised of those humans you hold in such contempt...a specie which you still have your roots in, and always will. It is amusing to see such self-contempt in an individual...
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Post by DroopyDawg »

Unfortunately GhostSpider is far more right than he is wrong. And I do mean unfortunately. :D

Hello to all,
I am new to this forum, as I have only recently learned of its existence.
I go by the moniker of Droopy Dawg and I am pleased to meet most, if not all of you. :)

I am not a warrior, nor am I a psychic, I am just a normal joe, though I do have an interest in the supernatural and have researched it to one degree or another since I was a teen.

The problem here is a convoluted one to say the least.

Mankind has had to deal with the impact of ghosts, ghouls, and goblins on the collective psyche for tens of thousands of years. They walked in fear everyday that some unseen presence would take offense to some unrealized comment or action, which would result in a loss of income, livelihood, health, or even life. Everyday the actions and activities of the supernatural were present for any and all to behold.

This continued, as I said for tens of thousands of years, until the age of reason. Finally mankind got to the point where the only things that matter are those things that can be rationalized. Of course as the supernatural does not lend it’s self to rationalization, mankind had been given an out. They didn’t have to believe, which meant they didn’t need to be afraid.

Later the great psychologists, (Freud, Jung, etc.) reasoned that the ability to do evil lay within each of us, regardless of outside influences, and as such a supernatural evil is no longer needed for that either. That evil lies in the heart of the person down the street meant that I didn’t need to fear being evil, because I am inherently good. (Everyone sees their self as being good, unless they have deeper psychological issues.) Of course mankind didn’t want to be afraid of each other either, so now we talk about the inherent goodness in each of us, vice the evil that lies behind the heart.

Now that I have said all of this I need to add a quick aside. This is predominantly true of the industrialized countries which are not a part of the third world. In these other countries the connection to the supernatural is still a fundamental part of their world.

The funny part of all of this is that many of the people, who refuse to believe in the supernatural, do believe in a divine entity of some form, and usually they believe in a weaker but still powerful evil that is his/her antithesis. These people will also admit to believing in emissaries of these beings who are able to have an impact on mankind. Yet the supernatural is dismissed out of hand.

What I also find funny is that people believe in atoms, subatomic particles, M-theory, quantum mechanics, dark energy, etc. yet they don’t believe in the supernatural, because they can’t see it, can’t prove it, or can’t understand it. To me this harbors on hypocritical because the reasons people give for not believing in one, doesn’t slow them down with the other. I’ve tried to understand some of quantum mechanics and M-theory and I don’t see how anyone can fully understand either, much less prove their existance to the common man.Even though, much of our modern technology is based off quantum mechanics (e.g. computers).

Basically what my point is, that mankind does not want to be afraid. We have been told we are in control of our destinies and as such these supernatural beings don’t fit into the equation. Mankind wants his fears to be sanitized to the point that it is a thrill to be afraid. We want the boogeyman to be on the other side of the screen, where we can watch him, but he can’t impact us directly. Even our time of greatest fear, when the boundaries between worlds are the thinnest, the autumnal equinox, has now become a commercialized party for children, instead of a time that children are put into costume to protect them from being stolen.

If you attempt to make them see that the fear is real, then they will fight you. The process of accepting the unacceptable goes through a couple of stages. First is comical denial, they laugh it off and don’t think too deeply about it. Next is aggressive denial, where they try to over power the truth and push it away, or beat it into submission. Lastly is acceptance, even though that may be begrudgingly.

I am willing to assist in bringing the truth out, as I am a beliver, but we must face the fact that this is going to be a long up hill battle and we probablly will not succeed. Mankind doesn't want to remember and they don't want to be afraid.

Probably the best way to bring this out in to the open is to convince Oprah and have her present this on one of her shows. Good luck.
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Post by GhostSpider »

Angel: No, I haven't given up, I'm just...seeing more of the bad side of humanity and its leaving a mark.

DroopyDawg: I like your theory. You've obviously put alot of thought into it.

Gabe: Mock all you want little echo, there's going to be a reckoning tonight.
Konrad Andreas is at peace. I am something new.

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