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[Logan]

Actually caliburn, I was thinking that launcher Nemesis linked could do quite a few of the jobs that RPG-7's are used for at considerably shorter ranges with considerably less colateral damage. I was hoping you could remove it's existing sights and ergonomics so that the barrel of the firearm portion could be live while hidden up a sleeve. It struck me as being a possibly handy alternative to a rocket launcher in an urban environment, where you have to admit, armored vehicles are decidedly rare.

For the holdouts, I was serious when I said use your best judgment and just set it up for the best impact force you can get me. I'll be trying for eyesockets, wrists, elbows, ect in that situation anyway. Ror one of em, dont worry about the recoil too much, the prosthetic doesn't hurt - wouldn't be the first one I've mangled on the job either.

[Ron Caliburn]

It's not like I have access to said launcher to work on anyway. Secret special forces weapons of the former Soviet Union don't pop into my shop on a regular basis if you catch my drift.

Now, with your ties to the government, if some of the 25 mm ammo for the M25 Grenade Launcher came my way, I could probably make a decent compact single shot launcher. It'd be point impact only, but it'd at least do the job.

The FRAG-12 round would probably be a decent alternative as well - you won't be taking out any LAVs with it, but you could deal with a whole lot more, and the recoil is low enough you might actually hit something.

[Logan]

If your papered for em, I can see to it that a few become available. If your not I can still see to it a few of the inert training rounds become available.

Thanks for putting me on to those frag - 12s, should do decent for the situations I was looking at that launcher for, especially since for urban issues we normally have several shotguns on hand already.

And Caliburn, it'll take me some time to procure, but I'll try to get you said launcher to work from, no promises on the grenade for it, probably have to find a training blank.

[Ron Caliburn]

Well I'm not trying to get an M25, just some samples of the ammunition, or detailed specs should work. I don't think I could build the fire control computer for that thing anyway. A simple tube gun wouldn't be too hard to do.

[Logan]

I can get you a 25MM training round without issues. If you have the papers, I might be able to get you a live round or two, through the gentleman I mentioned to you before.

If I include a schematic of the housing for the electronics, thing you could set up a detatchable mount? I'm pretty sure my position cant go as far as getting you the electronics themselves.

[Ron Caliburn]

Not sure it's legal for anyone not a part of the project to have a live round of this system, but a practice round gives me exact dimensions for the chamber and if I can get detailed things like muzzle velocity, projectile wait, chamber pressure and what not I can build a weapon around the round.

I can certainly make brackets for the electronics, but really, if you ain't in a department that has access you ain't gonna have 'em. Not to mention, ti's not like these will fit under clothes either - they seem pretty bulky from what I've seen.

You know, if it wasn't for this crazy under clothes restriction, I'd suggest a few off the shelf grenade launchers, since you apparently have the appropriate clearance to carry the ordinance.

[Logan]

I do indeed have that clearance, Caliburn. However, not all of my needs are available off the shelf, Weight and chamber pressure I can get you, nothing all that classified there.

Yea Caliburn, the electronics are bulky, but air burst is nifty enough to be worth the loss of concealment if its really needed, especially if it's an option, not somethin fused to the platform.

Well Caliburn, I can't exactly get away with tights and a bunch of outlandish gear strapped to my body. The tights clash with my shades, and the bulky gear clashes with my suit. Actually, you've been doing excelently at filling my needs for items that I can't get through requisitions, either through my not knowing the platform is already available, or when the available platforms don't fill my needs. That and them pricks over at the CIA take great pains not to share their toys with anyone.

[Grace]

Oh and lets just say meeting a few ladies like yourself has had me in the habit of keeping "protection" handy if not on at all times.

Realisticly, doll, if that thing gets within 10 feet of me, I'm probably already snatched unless it's hands are full.

Okay, I'll let the 'protection' comment slide.

But did you just call me doll?

I've shot people in the face for less.

[Logan]

Don't worry, I won't take it personal, I've been shot for less, that's why it's a habit to wear at least class 3 "protection"

And sorry, but your just to attractive to call bub.

[Grace]

I won't shoot you in the face this time but you can always call me "Nemesis" here on the boards. If you're real lucky, I might even let you use my name.

[Logan]

Caliburn, can I get an update on the custom hardware?

[Ron Caliburn]

Mostly ready.

The chamber pressures on the 25mm are a bit higher than I'm used to. Trying to machine a breech that will hold up and not make the weapon any bulkier than it already is is proving a tad tricky.

I think that I may have to go with titanium to make it work, which gets us into a couple of other issues. First is the expense. You've mentioned you get to expense items, that's well and good, but your budget person might decide that you need your head examined.

Second is getting it done. I don't have the gear here to machine titanium, I'd have to contract it out to a specialist supplier. Turn around on those orders is typically 10 to 15 business days.

Mixing metals is a recipe for failure too and if I go titanium on the breech, might as well do it for the barrel. At that point it wouldn't represent a major increase in cost over a titanium breech and steel barrel and wouldn't increase the order time.

If I could just turn it in steel I'd have it done in an afternoon, but that isn't small enough for what you want.

I haven't even gotten around to making compatible mounts for electronics. Just getting a functioning prototype is a nightmare enough.

If you need something working done soon, might be best to just go with a 12 gauge and lock in those FRAG-12 rounds I mentioned.

[Logan]

My budget person already thinks I need my head examined, but I still get comped for work equipment that I say is needed.

If you can deliver the 25MM by the 20'th, you and your suppliers can literally name your price - and we can worry about the mount later.

I'm picking up the shotguns and frag 12's on your advice anyhow, but would be nice to have the 25MM - the guys in the armsroom say they have a heat round for it that should make anything with a thinner skin than a Bradly take notice.

[Ron Caliburn]

I called around a few places, having the titanium version ready by the 20th is pretty tight. I got one place trying to do it, but they wouldn't guarantee it. Even if they have it ready, won't be time to test it, not that I'd have a live round to test it with.

In the mean time I can do a steel version, but it won't fit under a sleeve and I won't be able to test it as I don't have a round for it.

If you want something a little more likely to work that we can actually test I can do a 12 gauge version for those FRAG-12s.

[Logan]

Persue both avenues, if you would. I'd rather shell for extra than risk doing without.

Some testing rounds should be there soon, there was an issue with some of the higher ups about the delivery, had to use an approved courier or some such. Fortunately, I was able to finagle thre inert training rounds. I have been assured that the rounds are identical to the live ones in all respects other than the lack of electronics and explosives. At least they gave me that much when I offered to just go straight to the original designer.

I appreciate the hell out of the hard work, it means more than I can say.

[Cybermancer]

No doubt a little late, but this might be of interest.

[Hannah]

Hi Cyber,

Neato toy. Don't expect my dad to comment on it much, he's decided to take a bit of a sabbatical and visit an old friend out of state. Still, I'm pretty sure he'd point out that if you're going to use explosives to open a door, you're going to have to accept that what's on the other side of that door might not survive. So you'd better be sure there isn't anyone you want to keep alive there.

[Cybermancer]

When employing a tool, it is vital to first know what it is designed to do. In the case of this tool, when used to break open doors, survival of those on the other side is not a desirable outcome.

When I brought it up however, I was suggesting that the tool might also be adopted to deliver the sort of knockdown that Logan was looking for.

I assumed your fathers recent absence from the boards was more a general summer absence of the boards. It being summer and all, a lot of people are busy with alternate activities. I know I took a 'sabatical' of my own to visit with my daughters and extended family. But it's back to work for me.

[Ron Caliburn]

Wouldn't work for what Logan wanted - he wanted to be way too close to the target for any reasonable use of explosives, unless he planned on wearing them as a vest.